Midnight Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 I can't believe we're arguing over clouds. *Clouds*! LOL, who here thinks that the VOR/ILS needles are working correctly? Have a go, you will see my point!
Robert1983NL Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 I've missed that above sea level thing. Its a contradiction in terms, and shows that the static weather system gives little to no freedom.
159th_Viper Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Ok, just for you, I'll quote the manual. HOLY SHIT. I was right, 300 meters is the lowest for the static weather. I am stupendous? lol... Aye, my bad. When I told you to RTFM I neglected to mention the necessity of reading the ENTIRE manual and not just selective excerpts that accord with your POV. Here: RTEFM. Better? OK, moving along: Here's a standard-weather mission with the Huey at 150m AGL/ASL over Sochi, as illustrated in the above screenshot....you land that for me VFR and let me have the track if you please. New Mission.miz Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Sundowner.pl Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Viper, sorry man, but that doesn't count, you've set up FOG up to 1000m MSL with 20m visibility. What we want to see is cloud base bellow 300m MSL (say 120m MSL like it was here few days ago). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
159th_Viper Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Viper, sorry man, but that doesn't count, you've set up FOG up to 1000m MSL with 20m visibility. What we want to see is cloud base bellow 300m MSL (say 120m MSL like it was here few days ago). Fog is a Stratus Cloud so what's the difference? And yes, the settings are eminently scalable according to user-preference. Point was that it is possible to exclude VFR flight in the Huey with standard weather. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Sundowner.pl Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) The difference is: you can't get out of fog by descending ;) BTW minimums for airfield still apply either you fly airplane, or a helicopter, if you don't see the runway at decision height, you can't land. That's why there has to be a cloud base barely over minimal height - to perform IFR approaches here. Because the ILS on Huey isn't suppose to get you to the landing spot, only to the runway decision point - from there on its VFR. Edited June 9, 2013 by Sundowner.pl [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
159th_Viper Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 The difference is: you can't get out of fog by descending ;) Yes, and? That's the point. Fog = Cloud. Factsheet_Fog-Low Cloud_05-02-11.pdf Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Sundowner.pl Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 The point is to perform an ILS approach to landing in a Huey. Let's take Sochi-Adler airport, runway 06 - that runway has decision height of 180m MSL. If you want to limit someone from performing a landing on that airport, you set the cloud base below, or put up a fog with less than 2300m visibility. If you want someone to land there, the visibility has to be above 2300m and cloud base above 180m MSL. Now, with 300m MLS cloud base minimum available to set up, the whole thing is not very stressful, you go from IFR to VFR well above the decision height, no stress, no second-guessing. 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
Suchacz Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Sorry guys, but this thread deserves the biggest facepalm ever... :surrender::doh: Edited June 9, 2013 by Suchacz Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
sobek Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Sorry guys, but this thread deserves the biggest facepalm ever... :surrender::doh: Oh the irony. :) Edited June 9, 2013 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Eddie Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 The difference is: you can't get out of fog by descending ;) BTW minimums for airfield still apply either you fly airplane, or a helicopter, if you don't see the runway at decision height, you can't land. That's why there has to be a cloud base barely over minimal height - to perform IFR approaches here. Because the ILS on Huey isn't suppose to get you to the landing spot, only to the runway decision point - from there on its VFR. The point is to perform an ILS approach to landing in a Huey. Let's take Sochi-Adler airport, runway 06 - that runway has decision height of 180m MSL. If you want to limit someone from performing a landing on that airport, you set the cloud base below, or put up a fog with less than 2300m visibility. If you want someone to land there, the visibility has to be above 2300m and cloud base above 180m MSL. Now, with 300m MLS cloud base minimum available to set up, the whole thing is not very stressful, you go from IFR to VFR well above the decision height, no stress, no second-guessing. Possibly the best posts I've read this week. Cloud, and atmosphere/weather in general is not one of DCS World's strongest areas. I've no doubt it'll get there eventually though. In the meantime we just have to live with using fog to force IMC at the lower altitude airports.
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