IonicRipper Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 Further more: Check SPECIAL > UH-1H menu in Options to enable pedal trim. EDIT: Beaten by Grizzly47 i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
PeterP Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) IonicRipper, I think that there's a menu option yeah to have Force Trim also applied to the pedals, but this is unrealistic and not workable. You have to make many rudder inputs while flying. ´... and independently of your trim. Edited June 17, 2013 by PeterP
159th_Viper Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Further more..... Yeah, only of value if you have force-trim pedals, of which 99.9% of pedals out there are not. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
IonicRipper Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 Doesn't it just mean the pedals will be included in the trim system? i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
26-J39 Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Does not apply to the rudders. Since when? I must have missed something..
PeterP Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 To schort cut a maybe long-winded discussion that was alrady held before - please jump over to this thread to learn more about "force-rim rudders and desktop-simulations with given common hardware": Can we have this little Huey feature in our BS?
26-J39 Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Since always? The default setting is off. You can turn it on via the menu. But you can't use force trim on the pedals in real life, so it's not quite realistic. Also, like already said in this topic, it's really hard to use force trim in conjunction with controls that don't have force feedback to hold the control in it's now forced position. Ok.. but im sure i read (dcs related) that the huey force trim is connected to rudder. In the huey its quite easy to disconnect the rudder force trim as is done for some pilots as they prefer, some prefer to use no trim at all.
IonicRipper Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 I guess I'll just have to wait and see once it goes on special. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
HuggyBear Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Not sure if I'm just mis-reading some of these posts (probably :) ) but just to clarify the force-trim system in the real H model: The cyclic and pedal force-trim are linked and not able to be separately manipulated. The force-trim switch on the centre pedestal and force-trim button on the cyclic will enable/disable the force trim for both the cyclic and pedals simultaneously. You can't use force-trim for the cyclic independently of the pedals. As stated it's also true that most pilots fly with the force-trim off. As for the simulated force-trim in DCS:UH-1H, that's a compromise to best suit current joystick/pedal technology. :) - Bear Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. - Robert A. Heinlein
PeterP Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 no- I didn't mixed it up, I was referring to the Sim and not RL that you can trim cyclic independently from you anti-torque. Something that makes controlling it much simpler without force-trim pedals.
IonicRipper Posted June 18, 2013 Author Posted June 18, 2013 So does the RL Huey trim the pedals with the cyclic? I'm confused... i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
159th_Viper Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 So does the RL Huey trim the pedals with the cyclic? I'm confused... Yes, if the force-trim system is activated - pilot choice. That said, for the simmer, in the absence of force-trim cyclic and pedals, it does more harm than good. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Weta43 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) That said, for the simmer, in the absence of force-trim cyclic and pedals, it does more harm than good. If you're saying having the trimmer option active does more harm than good, then I disagree. You might be right if you have pedals, but I have an MSFFBII stick, X-52 throttle and use the stick twist as rudder. Checking the trim option for the rudder (Making the rudder 'central trimmer method') does mean you have an unrealistic option set. It also means you can trim the rudder so that you don't have to hold your stick twisted the entire time you fly, which means it's removing an unrealistic aspect... I have the force trim and trim mapped, and on entering the sim, trim in a little rudder, then turn the force trim off while manuvering. the rudder movements are then quite small around that trimmed point, rather than trying to move the stick gently while at the same time trying to maintain quite a big twist against the stick's spring. Once a course is established, trim as you turn the Force trim back on, and you'll be set. Edited June 18, 2013 by Weta43 Cheers.
IonicRipper Posted June 18, 2013 Author Posted June 18, 2013 Yes, if the force-trim system is activated - pilot choice. That said, for the simmer, in the absence of force-trim cyclic and pedals, it does more harm than good. What about people without (for the moment) any pedals at all. It would probably be best to have pedal trim so you don't have to keep the stick twisted all the time. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
159th_Viper Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 It would probably be best to have pedal trim so you don't have to keep the stick twisted all the time. I suppose you can 'train' yourself to get it working halfway decently but the more you fly the more you'll come to realize the foibles of doing so. Your physical rudder position will not accord with your In-SIM rudder position which inevitably leads to accumulative input errors that *could* spell disaster when you least want/expect it. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
IonicRipper Posted June 19, 2013 Author Posted June 19, 2013 I thought about what PeterP said... That racing pedals are to close together for comfort. So i started to think of a simple way to make the pedals larger and found some metal plates laying around. To my surprise, they bolted right in the original holes! It may not be ideal, but it should do 'till I finally decide to get somereal rudder pedals. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
IonicRipper Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 After trying both the twist axis and my modded pedals, I can definitely say the twist axis is better. The metal plates help with comfort but still isn't wide enough. I guess I'll make due with the twist axis until I can afford the pedals. Luckily the mod I did to the pedals is reversible. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MadTommy Posted June 21, 2013 Posted June 21, 2013 Just flew the Huey for the 1st time... i own all the other modules and this is the 1st time i'm seriously considering pedals. Certainly possible to fly without them, i just had a hoot doing slalom around building across a city.. but pedals will help more in this airframe than any other i've flown.. and the list is long. Are these the suggested best ones? Saitek USB Pro Flight Rudder Pedals PZ35 Cheers i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
IonicRipper Posted June 21, 2013 Author Posted June 21, 2013 Just flew the Huey for the 1st time... i own all the other modules and this is the 1st time i'm seriously considering pedals. Certainly possible to fly without them, i just had a hoot doing slalom around building across a city.. but pedals will help more in this airframe than any other i've flown.. and the list is long. Are these the suggested best ones? Saitek USB Pro Flight Rudder Pedals PZ35 Cheers Agreed. From what I gathered so far, the Saitek Pro Flight rudders seem like the best option out there. Thing is, they're not cheap. Actually, it seems there are no cheap pedals on the market, at all. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MadTommy Posted June 21, 2013 Posted June 21, 2013 I'm seeing them for £90 on fleebay (new). Not cheap, but nothing flight sim related is cheap, bit of a niche market. i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
marker Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Agreed. From what I gathered so far, the Saitek Pro Flight rudders seem like the best option out there. Thing is, they're not cheap. Actually, it seems there are no cheap pedals on the market, at all. These are the ones I have, the exact same internal mechanism as the Combat Pro Flight ones. http://www.flightstore.co.uk/flight-simulation-c499/flight-simulation-pedals-c502/saitek-cessna-pro-flight-rudder-pedals-p2422 Different pedals, which I will be removing and replacing with some top quality BMX stand pegs.. £70 cheaper than the combat pro flights. Edited June 22, 2013 by marker “Any pilot should be flying the spitfire, at least once.” – John S. Blyth
marker Posted June 22, 2013 Posted June 22, 2013 They are more 30 quid more expensive.. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/pc-accessories/pc-gaming-accessories/game-controllers/saitek-pz35-pro-flight-rudder-pedals-01064635-pdt.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~Home+%2f+PC+Accessories+%2f+PC+Gaming+Accessories+%2f+Game+Controllers~01064635&istCompanyId=9a35962d-802d-4e67-9721-0a3328ca1f02&istItemId=mrpwrxa&istBid=t&gclid=CObz2rqV-LcCFQ_LtAodWUkAZA As far as I am aware, the internals are different in those compared to the other two versions! Thats why I got the cessna pro ones. “Any pilot should be flying the spitfire, at least once.” – John S. Blyth
IonicRipper Posted June 24, 2013 Author Posted June 24, 2013 I've been experimenting a bit more with my modded pedals. Once I got use to them, its actually not bad. It lacks the opposite movement of the opposing pedal but its not bad. Of course, it doesn't beat real rudder pedals but it'll do until i can afford some. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
IonicRipper Posted June 28, 2013 Author Posted June 28, 2013 Lock the twist axis on your joystick (if you have one) it should help you remember to use the pedals. I had the same problem at first but doesn't take long to get use to pedals. i5 4590 @ 3.77GHz | GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 | 1TB HDD+500GB HDD | Win10 Home X64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
PeterP Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 I have the opposite problem - helped a friend to set -up everything - and he has no rudders ... I wasn't able to hold my feet still :D
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