VH-Rock Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Well, At Duxford's Flying Legends airshow this year, we finally got around to getting the real Horsemen to try out DCS P-51. To say they were impressed was an understatement! Ed Shipley & Dan Friedkin put the Mustang through it's paces, tried stalls, loops and compared the facts of figures of DCS to the real thing - "The accuracy is amazing". I just thought I'd share a few images of the team trying out DCS as I know a few will be interested. Virtual Horsemen - Right Wing (P-51) - 2008... Virtual Ultimate Fighters - Lead (P-47) - 2020... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skouras Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 wow thats great thanks for sharing buddy tell us more about it what did they say... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Awesome! Any comments about the head movement/shake in the DCS P-51? P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Awesome! Any comments about the head movement/shake in the DCS P-51? A nickel says it was turned off! ;) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 was there any critizism as well? i too would like to hear there comments in more detail than, "its amazing". off course only if there statement was more detailed :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_D Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Well endorsed by the " Horsemen "...nicely done DCS..nicely done...thanks " VH-Rock " :thumbup: [TABLE][/url][sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic89949_15.gif[/sIGPIC][/Table] Recruiting for Aerobatic Team/Fighter Group... My Youtube channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo38 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) You can tell by the way he's hunched forward that he's feeling the discrepancies in the zoom & FoV, as well as the differences in ergonomics. But, none of that's the fault of the sim, and is rather the fault of the sizes, shapes, and positions of the monitor and joystick (a problem that can't be solved without many thousands of dollars being expended by the simmer). Edited August 11, 2013 by Echo38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Possibly. He could also just be trying to lower his head position at the top of a loop. The DCS P-51 is unique in having you fall up in your straps under negative g. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pman Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I spent abit of time talking to Ed and Dan after their flight, they were both very impressed. To quote Dan "you will not get much closer, unless your in my airplane" Everything in the sim was turned on. We didnt have Track IR working as the hangar door was open and the light was interfering. We also had Steve Hinton, Steve Hinton Jr as well as a few other pilots fly the sim and they were all very impressed. Steve Hinton Jnr was a big fan and was talking about the sim quite alot over the course of both weekends. They all tried things like the neg g push, wing stalling, wing buffetting and they were impressed with each and every thing they tried to catch the sim out with. What more can we say? hehe One of the best things about the weekend was being able to speak to the real Stang pilots and compare what they thought of the sim vs the real experience. We are back in September to meet up with some of the pilots, cant wait to see what they think then! Pman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VH-Rock Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) From what Dan & Ed said, everything they tried matched the figures they use in the real aircraft. One small discrepancy that Dan picked up on was the sensitivity of the rudder but, other than that, no other faults were mentioned by them. There are a few differences between the Mustangs that The Horsemen use and the variant modelled in the sim. DCS represents a completely stock aircraft where as there are a few changes made to the restored mounts that The Horsemen use. To begin with, none of the real pilots that we had try the sim (other than Nick Grey) could get the aircraft started. This is because, in most modern P-51s, the rear fuselage fuel tank has been removed. The Fuel cutoff valve is then removed ("it's just something else to go wrong") and the rear fuselage tank position is used as the fuel cut off position on the fuel selector. Stevo (Steve Hinton Jnr) also noticed, when doing his pre take-off checks, that the oil pressure did not drop when he fluctuated the RPM. Over the last few months, we have had Steve Hinton, Dan Friedkin, Ed Shipley, Stevo (Steven Hinton Jnr), Nick Grey & Matt Nightingale try out DCS P-51 at our events at Duxford - All have been thoroughly impressed by the level of detail that has been achieved by the Eagle Dynamics team. It's hard to disagree with them ;) Dan was flying for a good 15 - 20 minutes and conducted his flight in exactly the same way as he would in the real aircraft Edited August 11, 2013 by VH-Rock 2 Virtual Horsemen - Right Wing (P-51) - 2008... Virtual Ultimate Fighters - Lead (P-47) - 2020... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suchacz Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 ...and did you save the track? :huh::D Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 ...and did you save the track? :huh::D :) 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTB_Ray Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Very cool! Interesting to hear what they had to say about it - good stuff. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Cooler Master HAF X Case | EVGA SuperNOVA G2 1000W PSU | EVGA Z270 Classified K | Intel Core i7 7700k @ 5.0 Ghz | 512GB Samsung 960 Pro SSD | 16 GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4 @ 3200 MHZ | EVGA GTX 1080ti FTW3 | WD 6TB 7200 RPM | Oculus Rift | TM HOTAS Warthog | 27" ASUS VG278H 3D monitor | Windows 10 64 bit | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 From what Dan & Ed said, everything they tried matched the figures they use in the real aircraft. One small discrepancy that Dan picked up on was the sensitivity of the rudder but, other than that, no other faults were mentioned by them. There are a few differences between the Mustangs that The Horsemen use and the variant modelled in the sim. DCS represents a completely stock aircraft where as there are a few changes made to the restored mounts that The Horsemen use. To begin with, none of the real pilots that we had try the sim (other than Nick Grey) could get the aircraft started. This is because, in most modern P-51s, the rear fuselage fuel tank has been removed. The Fuel cutoff valve is then removed ("it's just something else to go wrong") and the rear fuselage tank position is used as the fuel cut off position on the fuel selector. Stevo (Steve Hinton Jnr) also noticed, when doing his pre take-off checks, that the oil pressure did not drop when he fluctuated the RPM. Over the last few months, we have had Steve Hinton, Dan Friedkin, Ed Shipley, Stevo (Steven Hinton Jnr), Nick Grey & Matt Nightingale try out DCS P-51 at our events at Duxford - All have been thoroughly impressed by the level of detail that has been achieved by the Eagle Dynamics team. It's hard to disagree with them ;) Dan was flying for a good 15 - 20 minutes and conducted his flight in exactly the same way as he would in the real aircraft thats interesting...what exactly did he say about the rudder behaviour?is it just too sensitive?did he try other curvature settings with it? if so, did you/he find a setting which comes close to the real thing? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pman Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 thats interesting...what exactly did he say about the rudder behaviour?is it just too sensitive?did he try other curvature settings with it? if so, did you/he find a setting which comes close to the real thing? cheers He flew it on Rocks Pc which doesnt have any curves set for the rudder but does for the other axis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I wonder how he would have commented with a force feedback joystick: no curves required. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pman Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I wonder how he would have commented with a force feedback joystick: no curves required. When another good one is made we will try it :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Higginbotham Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 OH- WOW how I'm not the only one with a Saitek Pro X52!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VH-Rock Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 OH- WOW how I'm not the only one with a Saitek Pro X52!! True, I've used one for years :) Virtual Horsemen - Right Wing (P-51) - 2008... Virtual Ultimate Fighters - Lead (P-47) - 2020... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas_From_Hell Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Fantastic Rob, thanks for sharing. Being in and out of the loop for a while, lots of things come and go, but VH only gets better and better every time. Great job, guys :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VH-Rock Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 Lucas! Great to see you here buddy - it's been a long time :) Let me know if you need any help getting hooked up in DCS, always happy to help out an old friend :) Virtual Horsemen - Right Wing (P-51) - 2008... Virtual Ultimate Fighters - Lead (P-47) - 2020... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas_From_Hell Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Cheers :) I've been aboard the DCS boat since 2009 with the 1.0.2 Shark and FC2 (and before that Flanker 2.5, Lock On and then FC1), but my old rig still hasn't allowed me to make the transition to World yet (mainly the low specs (unmodded HP 6050 from 2009) and 32-bit Vista I haven't had the time to upgrade, and the fact that it has been sitting aprox. 1300km away in a storage room since July, confining my flight simulation experience ever since to mobile versions of Strike Fighters). Sorry for not being in touch, I still stalked the forums constantly and was delighted when I heard you guys transitioned to DCS :) But as soon as I get that black box back (and give it a touch up) and grab a copy of the Pony we should definitely fly together again :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VH-Rock Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Definitely - Let me know when you get set up and we can arrange something :) Virtual Horsemen - Right Wing (P-51) - 2008... Virtual Ultimate Fighters - Lead (P-47) - 2020... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas_From_Hell Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Surely will :) For now, I'm relegated to tablet pilot - never complaining about being "desktop pilot" sgain :D (on the other hand the planeset is fab - nearly everything from '54 to '91, only with crappy FMs and icons everywhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCaptain109 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Manifold Pressure and RPM during Aerobatics Hey guys! I was wondering if you know what manifold pressure and rpm the real Horsemen use during their routine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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