Wolf Rider Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) GTX - 780 ? kkkkk, try turning OFF (not Auto) Threaded Optimisation in the NVidia control panel Digital Combat Simulator: Blackshark profile. and bear in mind, I'm running Windows 7, not Windows 8 Edited November 1, 2013 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Lange_666 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Done. Had Treaded Optimisation on Auto (works fine with A-10C stand alone). Did set it to "OFF". No cure. Also noticed you have Tripple Buffering set to OFF where i have it set to ON. No cure if i changed that. I already fooled around with the nVidia settings when this problem first occured to find a solution. No joy then either... Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S, Elgato Streamdeck XL. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance!
Wolf Rider Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 oh well, it was worth a shot have you got the sim installed to its default install directory of C:\ Program Files? City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Lange_666 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Nope, installed it on a separate dedicated Games SSD (as a matter of fact, i don't install anything under the default install directory unless i don't have the option to do that). I don't see any reason why it would cause any problem since the previous versions were also installed in this way as is my standalone A-10C installation which works fine. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S, Elgato Streamdeck XL. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance!
TZeer Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Wolf Rider, not to sound disrespectful. But this is real issue that is already filed and reported to ED. Kuky who has been so kind to help us has been able to reproduce the effect also confirms this is a real thing. He also reported that this apparently has been fixed on an internal build. There is also more of us who has the same issue, and are able to revert to 1.2.5 and get rid of the bug. Following logic, this should tell us that this is a DCS issue and has nothing to do with our video card settings. Or where we have it installed.
Lange_666 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I think he knows TZeer because on the first page he also confirms having the same problem. For him it went away after re-installing everything (post 178 ) but that's not really the cure i guess because as i said, i installed everything from scratch on a new rig and the first thing i did after installing DCS was looking at this issue. You can't get a cleaner installation then that so if anything installationwise would caused it would have surfaced (or went away) when i installed it. But it didn't so i take it for now that Wolf Rider has been one lucky bastard...:D Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S, Elgato Streamdeck XL. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance!
howie87 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 So does the fix that Kuky posted work or not? Anyone had a good result?
Lange_666 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Not here, no difference. But until now i'm the only one who did a test. It goes quickly so give it a shot (first try without the fix). Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S, Elgato Streamdeck XL. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance!
TZeer Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I think he knows TZeer because on the first page he also confirms having the same problem. For him it went away after re-installing everything (post 178 ) but that's not really the cure i guess because as i said, i installed everything from scratch on a new rig and the first thing i did after installing DCS was looking at this issue. You can't get a cleaner installation then that so if anything installationwise would caused it would have surfaced (or went away) when i installed it. But it didn't so i take it for now that Wolf Rider has been one lucky bastard...:D Aaaah I see. Anyway, that bastard!!! :D I want magic to happen to me as well!!!
howie87 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I NEED FEEDBACK FROM THOSE THAT HAVE THIS ISSUE - PLEASE TEST USING THE WORKAROUND WITH AUTOEXEC.CFG AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK For me personally I think it's OK but to be honest I can still see it's not 100% smooth but I am not sure if it's FPS, before I give feedback to developers I need feedback from you Tested and I can also confirm this fix does NOT work. Still exactly the same :cry:
Wolf Rider Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 This one is a bit of a long shot, but for those affected... download and run an App named "Dependency Walker", as there could possibly be a bit of a file mix up present Another is to ensure that the sim has been installed to a directory outside of the C;\ Program Files folder (windows file protection feature does affect smooth running if installed here) and give the sim's root folder Full Permissions through the folder's Properties/ security/ user tab City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Lange_666 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Sorry WR thanks for the effort but... On my previous rig i came somewhere from below 1.2.0 up to 1.2.5 (all updates) without a problem and after i updated to the first version of 1.2.6 the TrackIR problem showed. I dig that it could have been a file mix up at that point. But then i reverted back to 1.2.5 through the autoupdater and all was running smooth again. Is there is really a file mix-up, it should have been on 1.2.5 as well after returning from 1.2.6. Then, when updating again from 1.2.5 to 1.2.6, the problem showed up again. At this stage i still could live with it being a file mix-up. But... on my new rig i installed 1.2.6 fresh without going through any update at all and still the TrackIR problem popped up. There is no way this could be a file mix-up because there is nothing to be mixed-up in the first place. As an administrator (the only one, no other users on my PC) i have full rights on everything. Also, i don't really see what certain permissions have to do with choppy TrackIR behaviour in only one game (named DCS World), and more, only within version 1.2.6....? Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S, Elgato Streamdeck XL. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance!
Wolf Rider Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) giving "Full Permissions" is different to "Running as Administrator" and from reading through the thread, only some are having a problem, not everyone. As for the windows File protection system associated with its Program Files folders, you would understand that some files are made Read Only and are not writable to, even under Run as Administrator and installed as Install as Administrator. There certainly is some anomaly there, what between different systems/ third party programs, Apps, etc and sim version but where that is exactly... Both TIR and the sim need to be installed at the same level and run at the same level and effectively both outside of the Windows Programs File folders Edited November 1, 2013 by Wolf Rider City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Kuky Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I installed 1.2.5 again over night, tried again 1.2.5 vs latest 1.2.7 (tester) install... and yeah... I can still see the difference so unfortunately I don't see it being fixed either... I've given mine (and yours) feedback to ED. PS: Reason I said before it was OK to me is because it's easy to get used to something, and as I don't play 1.2.5 and I run 3 screens I get used to lower FPS so this bug is not so obvious (why I never complained about it :)) but trying one after another 1.2.5 and 1.2.6 or 1.2.7 (tester) it becomes apparent again... so I'll keep 1.2.5 for a while so I don't have to keep reinstalling again till hopefully this is fixed. PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
Lange_666 Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 I installed 1.2.5 again over night, tried again 1.2.5 vs latest 1.2.7 (tester) install... and yeah... I can still see the difference so unfortunately I don't see it being fixed either... Bugger, this means it's also in the 1.2.7 tester version...:cry: PS: Reason I said before it was OK to me is because it's easy to get used to something... But once it catches your attention it's hard to revert to the state before you knew it was there... Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S, Elgato Streamdeck XL. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance!
Kuky Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Bugger, this means it's also in the 1.2.7 tester version...:cry: yes it is there also But once it catches your attention it's hard to revert to the state before you knew it was there...not really, I am used to lower FPS so bit of non-smooth movement is OK for me and doesn't bother me. To feel its there again (to become a bug/annoying) I need to experience the other one again so why I am now back to 1.2.5 public instal. PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
howie87 Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Maybe it won't be an issue in EDGE...? I really hope so.
_Dredd Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) I'll test this today for more user feedback. Not sure where this might have occurred, but I recall at 1.2.6 there was the introduction of a few things: Higher mem cache usage 64bit Trackir shoulder view expansion Mi-8 module Freetrack expansion View.lua changes Plus FFB is borked in 1.2.6 as well. Others mentioned this is fine in 1.2.5 Related ? Maybe, maybe not. Edited November 2, 2013 by _Dredd Current Flight Rig i7 4960X @ 4.6Ghz ASUS Rampage IV Formula G.SKILL TridentX 2400Mhz 32GB DDR3 Crucial 1TB MX300 SSD MSI Gaming X 1080Ti Samsung 55" JS8000 SUHD 4K Windows 10 x64 TrackIR 5, Warthog HOTAS Saitek Pro Flight Combat Pedals Custom Akers-Barnes, MkI eyeball.
Blaze Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 The biggest change for me was going from my hat clip back to the Track Clip, the smoothness difference was night and day. But I guess results will be different for everyone depending on their TiR settings. i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. "
_Dredd Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 autoexec.cfg input entries had no effect. I did play with trackir axis command saturation, which appeared to improve things slightly. DCS true head movement overriding Trackir? dont know.. Im loading 1.2.5 now, and going to go through a setting and file comparison.. very annoying. Current Flight Rig i7 4960X @ 4.6Ghz ASUS Rampage IV Formula G.SKILL TridentX 2400Mhz 32GB DDR3 Crucial 1TB MX300 SSD MSI Gaming X 1080Ti Samsung 55" JS8000 SUHD 4K Windows 10 x64 TrackIR 5, Warthog HOTAS Saitek Pro Flight Combat Pedals Custom Akers-Barnes, MkI eyeball.
_Dredd Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 1.2.5 definite difference, especially heads down looking at gauges, head panning is lot smoother. I couldn't find any file or option to improve it; I guess it's in the DLL's? or an option elsewhere. Current Flight Rig i7 4960X @ 4.6Ghz ASUS Rampage IV Formula G.SKILL TridentX 2400Mhz 32GB DDR3 Crucial 1TB MX300 SSD MSI Gaming X 1080Ti Samsung 55" JS8000 SUHD 4K Windows 10 x64 TrackIR 5, Warthog HOTAS Saitek Pro Flight Combat Pedals Custom Akers-Barnes, MkI eyeball.
stun Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 The autoexec fixes didn't work for me either. I've gone back to 1.2.5 out of frustration. It is so much smoother.
Wolf Rider Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 what is the native refresh rate of the monitor,,, from the monitor Info itself? City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
stun Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 what is the native refresh rate of the monitor,,, from the monitor Info itself? Is this directed at me? If it is my native refresh rates are 75 and 60 Hz. Currently running at 75Hz. I've tried running at both and it makes no difference. The stuttering when panning left and right is absent/barely present in 1.2.5 but really bad in all 1.2.6 builds.
howie87 Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 This is driving me crazy! I thought when Kuky posted that fix it would be the end of this. Please sort this out ED!
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