BF 109 K4

[SAM77]

 

The lufties would be screaming blue murder if the P-47M, an a/c that would be dominate from ground level to ceiling, was planed for inclusion.

 

 

Nah don't think so.......

 

 

 

The complaining will be how easy Mk108s take you out.

[Isegrim]

Nah don't think so.......

 

 

 

The complaining will be how easy Mk108s take you out.

 

And how much Airplanes can take.:smilewink:

[DB 605]

Jugs were not only planes that could take their pilots home safely even with punched oiltank. :smilewink:

 

[SlipBall]

The reason that the K4 was selected for the game, was simply because that is the version with the most documentation available to them. We were told this months ago that they had a long discussion for perhaps the Fredrick, but little documentation was available.

[Isegrim]

Jugs were not only planes that could take their pilots home safely even with punched oiltank. :smilewink:

 

 

Yes i prefered 109s in the old days.

 

STARBUCK

 

:smilewink:

[DB 605]

The reason that the K4 was selected for the game, was simply because that is the version with the most documentation available to them. We were told this months ago that they had a long discussion for perhaps the Fredrick, but little documentation was available.

 

Did you mean Gustav instead of Friedrich? :)

I still found weird their claim that little documentation was available about G-models. G6/AS, G14, G10 would all have been basically G6's with different engines so plenty of data should be available. K4 data should be much more rare instead. But maybe devs have their own sources.

I'm not complaning, on the contrary i'm very glad that we will have DCS level K4 to fly.

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

Did I hear 109? My loins start to sing ... of course it only gets better with Wagner's magnificent music.

 

Edited July 19, 2014 by Hans-Joachim Marseille

[MiloMorai]

I'm not complaning, on the contrary i'm very glad that we will have DCS level K4 to fly.

 

That would be the 1.80ata K-4, right?

 

I want to see as may a/c as possible, not a/c like the 1.98ata K-4, Ta-152H and P-47M which had little operational usage and little impact on the air war.

 

Jug with missing engine parts

 

[SlipBall]

Did you mean Gustav instead of Friedrich? :)

I still found weird their claim that little documentation was available about G-models. G6/AS, G14, G10 would all have been basically G6's with different engines so plenty of data should be available. K4 data should be much more rare instead. But maybe devs have their own sources.

I'm not complaning, on the contrary i'm very glad that we will have DCS level K4 to fly.

 

 

agree!...I said "perhaps" because I could not remember which one, but luthier did say he likes the F, so I guessed :)

[DB 605]

That would be the 1.80ata K-4, right?

 

I want to see as may a/c as possible, not a/c like the 1.98ata K-4, Ta-152H and P-47M which had little operational usage and little impact on the air war.

 

For 1944 scenario, yes. Of course it would be fun to have "ultra late" versions too with Berlin map in future...

 

 

Jug with missing engine parts

 

Yeah saw that in Jug thread hence i post that oiled 109 picture :D

[NineLine]

I dont care what plane these guys were in.... they all were pretty damn tough...

[MiloMorai]

For 1944 scenario, yes. Of course it would be fun to have "ultra late" versions too with Berlin map in future...

 

There are others like Africa and Barbarossa which should come before Berlin.

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

I dont care what plane these guys were in.... they all were pretty damn tough...

I'd wager that none were braver or tougher than the young men of Sonderkommando "Elbe" (ramming group).

 

Edited July 19, 2014 by Hans-Joachim Marseille

[chev255]

Sorry but suicidal ramming is not being brave, it's being completely brain-washed into a wrong cause...

[Narushima]

They weren't a suicide group. They were supposed to survive the ram and ditch the aircraft, only to do it again. That's why they didn't drink poison like the Kamikaze pilots, and were given reinforced planes and a parachute.

 

And how was defending their friends and families from bombs a wrong cause?

 

I agree with Hans-Joachim Marseille, they were probably among the bravest, if not the bravest men of WW2.

 

EDIT: Just for clarification, in 1944/45 these people weren't fighting for an ideology or a leader, they were fighting for their people. On the east they fought so that the civilians could flee from the incoming soviet horde (and we all know what happened to those that could not escape), and on the west they were fighting to keep the bombs from falling on their cities.

Edited July 19, 2014 by Narushima

[eurofor]

Sorry but suicidal ramming is not being brave, it's being completely brain-washed into a wrong cause...

 

Fighting in the first place is risking your life for a cause. Where do you draw the line?

[fastfreddie]

Honestly flying almost anything in the German airforce this late in the war was pretty close to suicidal. Poor training, greatly outnumbered, and lack of supplies gave pilots that actually engaged the enemy very poor odds.

 

As far as all this bs about which fuel or plane type. Hopefully ED models what was the most common model or realistic choice of fuel, armament, and engine type available to planes at the time. This isn't War Thunder where every plane that may have ever been conceived is thrown in the mix. To be honest I was surprised we weren't getting a G series Bf109.

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

To be honest I was surprised we weren't getting a G series Bf109.

I would also have preferred the lesser types. It seems every DCS: WWII plane is aimed to match the P-51D, which is not necessarily a good thing (also for the sake of authenticity and, in this case, sacrificed maneuverability). Edited July 20, 2014 by Hans-Joachim Marseille

[DB 605]

I would also have preferred the lesser types. It seems every DCS: WWII plane is aimed to match the P-51D, which is not necessarily a good thing (also for the sake of authenticity and, in this case, sacrificed maneuverability).

 

Well, i'm pretty sure we will get "lesser" types too later. From ED or third party devs. And in this case, extra speed and much better climb rate we get with K4 is definitely worth of sacrificing some manouverability IMO.

I'm sure there won't be big difference in manouverability as K4 was not much heavier than G6 for exampe (~200kg) and K has flettners on ailerons.

[MiloMorai]

I'm sure there won't be big difference in manouverability as K4 was not much heavier than G6 for exampe (~200kg) and K has flettners on ailerons.

 

A few K-4s had Flettners on the ailerons. Pilots didn't like them, saying they lost precision while maneuvering.

[DB 605]

A few K-4s had Flettners on the ailerons. Pilots didn't like them, saying they lost precision while maneuvering.

 

Yeah many (most?) of pictures shows G ailerons as they were already available to use. Source for pilot notes? Just curious because i've not heard this before.

[Kurfürst]

Curiously, aileron Flettners appear to be mostly fitted to WNF built G-6s, G-14s and G-10s. Could be a factory specific thing, though Flettners were definietely meant for Ks, as per manual.

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

Trim tabs or not, the K was heavier and therefore less maneuverable. I'm happy with any 109 really but, again, would have preferred an F or G (obviously).

Edited July 20, 2014 by Hans-Joachim Marseille

[SlipBall]

Trim tabs or not, the K was heavier and therefore less maneuverable. I'm happy with any 109 really but, again, would have preferred an F or G.

 

same here, I also hope for a long series life with possible other 109 variants offered :)

[DB 605]

Trim tabs or not, the K was heavier and therefore less maneuverable. I'm happy with any 109 really but, again, would have preferred an F (obviously) or G.

 

Well F would not have fit in '44 scenario in any way. G14, G6/AS, G10 would all have been good choices but as said before, maybe later.