Looking for comprehensive dumb bombing guides

[Supersheep]

In the Youtube videos, it seems that during the SEM, you push the throttle up only after the TVV is about at the horizon. Is that intentional to prevent more altitude loss? It delays the time until the power is available, causing a slight coasting phase in the climb.

 

Ref here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViAs1dI47E&t=0m27s

[Eddie]

In the Youtube videos, it seems that during the SEM, you push the throttle up only after the TVV is about at the horizon. Is that intentional to prevent more altitude loss? It delays the time until the power is available, causing a slight coasting phase in the climb.

 

Ref here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViAs1dI47E&t=0m27s

 

That's a very old video, and the technique isn't the best. Power should be applied the second you start the pull out.

 

See the videos in the playlist below.

 

[PFunk1606688187]

Has there been any change in the issue I read about with DCS' netcode where a smoke rocket placed by one player would appear in a different relative location for someone else, effectively making smoke use for FACing more troublesome than it ought to be?

 

I remember reading that some players had done some pretty conclusive tests to show that the same smoke deployed in a different spot for different clients,

[Supersheep]

Just want to get this here as a cross-reference to post #100 from a page before: About targeting

[Hansolo]

Hi,

 

I really enjoy reading these CCIP threads as they give a great insight and procedure how to drop unguided ordnance. I have a small question to the Battle Book. I am slowely implementing the setting from it and it have greatly improved my skills when dropping MK-82 and MK-82 Air. However I am wondering if there there are any setting for dropping CBU in CCIP mode?

 

Thanks a lot for the assistance.

 

Cheers

Hans

[Hansolo]

Thanks for the clarifying Noodle. Much appreciated. I will try some different settings and see if I can find something that appears to be working.

 

 

Cheers

Hans

[JayPee]

Looking for comprehensive dumb bombing guides

 

Does one generally deliver cluster bombs in CCIP anyway? I imagine the average angle of CCIP deliveries are too steep with respect to submunitions spread. I would assume CBUs are dropped in CCRP or max. 10 degree nose down CCIP as you want to bomb to travel as horizontally as possible?

[Madog]

Hey, i was wondering: where do you guys get your knowlege on the theory of cropping bombs and the practical applications of the theory.

Are there books, you could recommend on the topic?

[JayPee]

It's their bread and butter ;)

[Flagrum]

Does one generally deliver cluster bombs in CCIP anyway? I imagine the average angle of CCIP deliveries are too steep with respect to submunitions spread. I would assume CBUs are dropped in CCRP or max. 10 degree nose down CCIP as you want to bomb to travel as horizontally as possible?

I see no difference in the applicabillity of both methods in regards to technical limitations of the CBUs. Why would a steep angle be bad? The canister opens at the defined height - no matter from where it was coming from. Even if the submunition would be released at high altitudes, the probably higher speed caused by a dive would just keep the bomblets closer together, if anything.

[Hansolo]

Does one generally deliver cluster bombs in CCIP anyway? I imagine the average angle of CCIP deliveries are too steep with respect to submunitions spread. I would assume CBUs are dropped in CCRP or max. 10 degree nose down CCIP as you want to bomb to travel as horizontally as possible?

 

My intentions for employing CBU in CCIP is that it at least to me seem like a lot faster. Instead of having to set up the SPI using TGP or getting it from flight lead, I can just rool-in after obtaining visual on targets.

I may be wrong of cause :smilewink:

 

What you can do is fly a 10 LAHD delivery and adjust all altitudes upward by an amount equal to the selected HOF. That will get you close.

 

In real life you have to worry about submunition impact velocity, pattern size, pattern overlap, submunition density, etc. I'd like to add that stuff to DAPS, but it's not an easy undertaking.

Thansk a lot for the assistance. I will give it a shot :-)

 

 

Cheers

Hans

Edited January 3, 2014 by Hansolo

[WildBillKelsoe]

one rule of thumb: 50 degrees right or left means flush with canopy rivets...

[camsr]

So I tried to fool the CBU-87 to not detonate and impact the ground instead. I set the QFE dial on the altimeter to read a higher QFE and altitude than true, and just let the bomb go. Problem was, it still knew I was below a certain altitude, but the radar altimeter showed lower than the HOF. Is this just DCS or can cluster bombs be used as dumb bombs?

[camsr]

Right, trying to use it like a MK-82. Why not?

[Eddie]

Right, trying to use it like a MK-82. Why not?

 

Why would you ever want to/what would make you think you could?

 

But no, no you can't.

[camsr]

If I disabled the radar fuze and dropped it below 300, it would impact like a MK-82. Higher up it won't. Although it's possible to get a nice CCIP lead with the right settings.

[Eddie]

But again why on earth would you ever want to? The weapon wouldn't fuse, and would impact the ground without bursting to spread the submunitions. And an actual Mk-82 would be far more effective.

[Einherjer]

Its like throwing a rife instead of shooting with it.

[camsr]

I really don't know why, just a thought. Maybe because it is heavier.

[ENO]

Its like throwing a rife instead of shooting with it.

 

Awesome analogy. :megalol:

Edited January 3, 2014 by ENO

[JayPee]

Perhaps a silly question but given that 80+planned dive angle=roll angle. What do you use as a queue to know whether you're on the proper roll angle? I find it very disorienting when I have to look down at the ADI when everything's already happening so quickly I can barely hold up.

[Eddie]

Honestly just experience & "feel" with perhaps a very brief glance at the HUD. Don't get too hung up on it, it's only a rule of thumb guide anyway.

[Vortex225]

I'd like to thank all of the SMEs in this thread for their effort and information. I don't post that often, but I certainly attempt to follow the latest tactics, tips, and procedures provided on these forums. This thread is at least one standard deviation above the canonical mean when it comes to adding value to our community and collective Hog-driving skills. I'm especially grateful for the introduction to proper DB techniques, as demonstrated by the guys from the 476th (e.g. Eddie, Noodle, etc.). Their YT tutorials were quite helpful in learning how to execute 45 HADB runs.

 

Having said this, however, I do have one follow-up question regarding target height. In one of the links provided earlier, the following tip was introduced:

 

"Remember to add target elevation in order to convert to MSL. Pro Tip: It's always better to use HOT elevation with the actual target elevation than to rely on the DTSAS Auto Elevation function (often referred to as "DTS")."

 

While I understand that I can enter my own height/elevation for offset markpoints and waypoints, and by extension the current steerpoint, I've never modified the target height when doing CCIP or CCRP bombing runs.

 

Should I be doing this? How would I do this?

 

In the training missions I build in the editor, DTS elevation is utilized by default. The flight manual specifically recommends using DTS elevation as well. With all this in mind, how, what, and why should I be using the HOT elevation? Also, does HOT stand for height of target?

Edited January 7, 2014 by Echo225

[JayPee]

I'd like to thank all of the SMEs in this thread for their effort and information. I don't post that often, but I certainly attempt to follow the latest tactics, tips, and procedures provided on these forums. This thread is at least one standard deviation above the canonical mean when it comes to adding value to our community and collective Hog-driving skills. I'm especially grateful for the introduction to proper DB techniques, as demonstrated by the guys from the 476th (e.g. Eddie, Noodle, etc.). Their YT tutorials were quite helpful in learning how to execute 45 HADB runs.

 

Having said this, however, I do have one follow-up question regarding target height. In one of the links provided earlier, the following tip was introduced:

 

"Remember to add target elevation in order to convert to MSL. Pro Tip: It's always better to use HOT elevation with the actual target elevation than to rely on the DTSAS Auto Elevation function (often referred to as "DTS")."

 

While I understand that I can enter my own height/elevation for offset markpoints and waypoints, and by extension the current steerpoint, I've never modified the target height when doing CCIP or CCRP bombing runs.

 

Should I be doing this? How would I do this?

 

In the training missions I build in the editor, DTS elevation is utilized by default. The flight manual specifically recommends using DTS elevation as well. With all this in mind, how, what, and why should I be using the HOT elevation? Also, does HOT stand for height of target?

Good question. I've wondered about "HOT" as well but so far haven't looked into it because I need to get some basics down first.

[JayPee]

Eddie, bear with me please and see if you can spot my error..

 

I'm trying to do an 82 20LD2 by the book. Well, actually a 82 20LD1 to save ordnance for some more runs but I'm following the -2 sled. I roll in at slightly less than 4000 AGL. By the time I roll out I'm at 2500 AGL but I'm at 15 nose down instead of 20 and I still have to pull up a bit to get the DRC on target. This is probably my first error.

 

As of now I'm about to get the cross in my pipper as the MRC is exceeded and both the pipper and MRS are comming together at my target. Eventually I deliver at 1500 AGL and 9 out of 10 times I manage to blow up a small bunker with a single 82. Although I'm obviously doing something wrong. What is happening here? Why do I get a cross in my pipper and why do I exceed past the MRC/MRS? My delivering ALT of 1500 is far above the MIN ALT of 800. DTOF set to 6.6 as per sled.