Raven68 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I remember hearing about the competition between this and the F-22. Hard to believe this was in the early 90's. Boy time has flown!! This video is a pretty good look into the program and what could have been. I personally preferred this over the F-22 because of the radical, sleek look. Would have been nice to see this make it to production. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
ENO Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I'd have loved to see them side by side- I mean... the best jet got chosen during that competition... politics didn't interfere... right? "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
GGTharos Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 People like to make this implication, but the truth is that the USAF chooses aircraft according to their own specifications. The F-23 also had issues which caused it not to be chosen - in some cases, technology that was too risky/not mature enough (some of which the F-22 uses today BTW), a bay that was too small, and probably at least somewhat inferior dogfighting ability. Stealth performance is undoubtedly addressed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Raven68 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Posted January 10, 2014 My understanding, although it is one point of concern, was the agility at low speeds. The F-22 was said to be superior, due to the thrust vectoring of course. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
Davis0079 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Yeah...but if COOL could win a war...this thing would be the best tool for the job..... It only takes two things to fly, Airspeed and Money.
Namenlos Ein Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 http://www.barthworks.com/aviation/westernmuseumflight.htm
Raven68 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Posted January 10, 2014 Yeah...but if COOL could win a war...this thing would be the best tool for the job..... AGREED!! ... Nice!! Maybe we can get a FC level version of this one day. ;) Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
GGTharos Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 An FC version of a static display aircraft? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Raven68 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Posted January 10, 2014 An FC version of a static display aircraft? C'monn GG...of course a flyable version, although I know it's highly unlikely though. :) Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
GGTharos Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 You want a flyable version of an unarmed fly-off competitor with no combat avionics whose flying characteristics are not the least bit known? :) I understand that appeal, but how about an F-22 so you can shoot something down at least and make a few people whine about how unfair and n00bish it is? ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Raven68 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Posted January 10, 2014 You want a flyable version of an unarmed fly-off competitor with no combat avionics whose flying characteristics are not the least bit known? :) I know I knowwww. Hence the wink when I mentioned it. If it was possible to introduce something into DCS on the level of "best guess" for example Jane's Combat Simulations: Advanced Tactical Fighters, then I would say yes I would like to see this flyable. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
SkateZilla Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) An FC version of a static display aircraft? BrillianT! DCS: ATF Competition.... Edited January 10, 2014 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Davis0079 Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Ace Combat has it modeled just as well as there other aircraft....with missiles (Aim120c x 200, Aim9x x 100) *runs* It only takes two things to fly, Airspeed and Money.
cichlidfan Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 I know I knowwww. Hence the wink when I mentioned it. If it was possible to introduce something into DCS on the level of "best guess" for example Jane's Combat Simulations: Advanced Tactical Fighters, then I would say yes I would like to see this flyable. Why is it not possible? ED not wanting to do it is one thing, but it certainly could be done if they so desired. You either do, or do not, want an aircraft with made up flight characteristics. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
SkateZilla Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Well Here's an Idea, since Wind Tunnel Data is next to Nil. Build a Scale Model in 3ds Max, and Pay $3400 for the Windtunnel Plugin. Bam, Wind Tunnel Data. Can work with other Aircraft as well. Laser Scan them into 3ds Max, Set parts, weight, internal structures (framing etc), Use Wind Tunnel Plugin place model in Wind Tunnel, Gather Data. As for FCS and other Avionics, You're out of luck. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Exorcet Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 Why is it not possible? ED not wanting to do it is one thing, but it certainly could be done if they so desired. You either do, or do not, want an aircraft with made up flight characteristics. I don't want made up flight characteristics. Which is why if this were to happen, I'd hope for something along the lines of what Skate suggested. There's no reason why you can't get aero data on an untested aircraft. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Raven68 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Posted January 10, 2014 There's no reason why you can't get aero data on an untested aircraft. I may be wrong, but from what I gathered in the video, there is aero data, but still highly classified. So yeah it still goes back to what Skates suggested. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
TraxusIV Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 An FC version of a static display aircraft? :megalol: If you disapprove of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep. If you approve of this post, please feel free to give me negative rep.
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