This game is so confusing

[Rongor]

Almost a pointless thread, unless you are mentally challenged.

 

It's not a game. It's a hard core sim.

 

Same shit I saw when I showed friends Wing Commander vs Falcon 3 growing up.

 

You are from 1 of 2 areas/logistics/gameplay. Doesn't mean you are bad/stupid people, but you are one of the two. Game. Sim.

 

I support the 'just quit now' group. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

 

I WISH more would have non A.D.D./Fill in the blank here, but you can't change people.

 

There is a reason 50% of the multi-player DCS are locked servers, and the other 50% of unlocks have populations of 1-4 people. Now why would that be vs a BF/COD server? IT IS NOT FOR THE BRAIN-DEAD AVERAGE JOE.

 

I can prove it. On an multilayer hardcore server, when you log in, and start scoring kills, people will instantly comment saying 'good job, nice kill', EVEN IF THE MISSION IS PLAYER VS A.I., OR PVP, your PVP guy will say "Well done." In a way, hardcore simmers remain the last bastion as an example of good etiquette for the realm of online gaming. This doesn't mean it's for everyone and we should encourage arcade mode/trophy whore/achievement whore style casual 'gamers'. WHY? Compromise to meet 'the norm'. I hate to say it, but 'the norm' are ****ing idiots.

 

You will NEVER have this in 'wing commander' style AKA: COD/BF games. I do play those games, but have always argued they are fake, cinematic, and there is no point of 'stats'.

 

It's an each to his own scenario, and I'm 100% favoring posts that say 'quit now'...because it's hard core truth. This sim series is not for 'game mode blow it up now' mode people, and it's a problem when it becomes 'main stream' and we start lowering our morale/objectives/standards/real life facts/ to cater to people like that.

 

The problem at threat is when you casual bastards show up and 'demand balance/make it insta play/no learning' which negates the idea for SIMULATION in the first place....shit changes, and the next thing we know, it's 'main-steam' and the A10 can no longer use the GUA8 for 'balance/be fair'.

 

Get the **** out of my SIMULATION.

 

Hardcore/expensive mil sims must exist for those of us who want it. We don't want: 'balance/fair/easy to learn/free insta fun for all'/. We want the closeness and feeling of immersion that is close to reality as money will let us buy based on LEARNING AND SKILL, and we don't feel it's unjust/unfair to those who won't ante up to the table. Nor should we compromise.

 

Again, we should be INSPIRING people to achieve greatness/epic-ness via self learning/acquiring goods to do so, vs pandering mediocrity.

 

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There are some harsh words in there, but I support them 100 %.

Whoever does complain about the learning curve does lack a mandatory positive attitude towards simulations. If you recognize these hundreds of switches and systems are nothing but annoying you instead of promising you years of happy studying of this stuff, you should simply quit and look for something else.

I am thankful for this rich in deep study-sim, ED offers us. If there wasn't ED, the simulation world would still feel empty and dull like in MSFS times. I dont want to blow shit up by starting a game, finding myself in a plane and hit some button. Instead I would prefer to even be able to take a walk before each flight to make an exterior check of my aircraft and thereafter climb into it and enjoy an animation of fastening my seat belt. And I know, everybody who truly belongs here, understands exactly what I mean. That is why I enjoy DCS so much, why I love ED for making this true and why I like this forum, filled with fellow enthusiasts.:joystick::pilotfly:

[Kilrah]

Almost a pointless thread, unless you are mentally challenged.

 

It's not a game. It's a hard core sim.

 

Same shit I saw when I showed friends Wing Commander vs Falcon 3 growing up.

 

You are from 1 of 2 areas/logistics/gameplay. Doesn't mean you are bad/stupid people, but you are one of the two. Game. Sim.

 

I support the 'just quit now' group. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

 

I WISH more would have non A.D.D./Fill in the blank here, but you can't change people.

 

There is a reason 50% of the multi-player DCS are locked servers, and the other 50% of unlocks have populations of 1-4 people. Now why would that be vs a BF/COD server? IT IS NOT FOR THE BRAIN-DEAD AVERAGE JOE.

 

I can prove it. On an multilayer hardcore server, when you log in, and start scoring kills, people will instantly comment saying 'good job, nice kill', EVEN IF THE MISSION IS PLAYER VS A.I., OR PVP, your PVP guy will say "Well done." In a way, hardcore simmers remain the last bastion as an example of good etiquette for the realm of online gaming. This doesn't mean it's for everyone and we should encourage arcade mode/trophy whore/achievement whore style casual 'gamers'. WHY? Compromise to meet 'the norm'. I hate to say it, but 'the norm' are ****ing idiots.

 

You will NEVER have this in 'wing commander' style AKA: COD/BF games. I do play those games, but have always argued they are fake, cinematic, and there is no point of 'stats'.

 

It's an each to his own scenario, and I'm 100% favoring posts that say 'quit now'...because it's hard core truth. This sim series is not for 'game mode blow it up now' mode people, and it's a problem when it becomes 'main stream' and we start lowering our morale/objectives/standards/real life facts/ to cater to people like that.

 

The problem at threat is when you casual bastards show up and 'demand balance/make it insta play/no learning' which negates the idea for SIMULATION in the first place....shit changes, and the next thing we know, it's 'main-steam' and the A10 can no longer use the GUA8 for 'balance/be fair'.

 

Get the **** out of my SIMULATION.

 

Hardcore/expensive mil sims must exist for those of us who want it. We don't want: 'balance/fair/easy to learn/free insta fun for all'/. We want the closeness and feeling of immersion that is close to reality as money will let us buy based on LEARNING AND SKILL, and we don't feel it's unjust/unfair to those who won't ante up to the table. Nor should we compromise.

 

Again, we should be INSPIRING people to achieve greatness/epic-ness via self learning/acquiring goods to do so, vs pandering mediocrity.

 

There is a reason why videos exist like the following 2, and they are for sure inspired by the 'just quit' realm. No causal player would have ever bothered....ever....and my hats off to guys like Ralf and Bin.Orc to testifying. I'm pretty sure if you asked either of these two, they'd probably not complain about 'to hard to learn' issues...

 

 

A big AMEN to that brother!

 

It feels that the sims are the last resort for us hardcore gamers these days and we dont want to have it simplified just so some random kid can understand how to fire the GAU-8. With you 100%

 

As you say, in CoD/BF etc it is a lot of "teabagging", "faggot", "noob" but here people are instead helpful to those of us that maybe isn´t THAT good, instead of bashing them. Players getting better and enjoying the sim instead of leaving it in the bin, and that means more and more players and hopfully a bigger fanbase for the sim-franchise. Win-win situation.

 

But dude! Bashing the Wing Commander series. Dont! Best space-arcade-shooter ever made! :smilewink:

Edited January 27, 2014 by Kilrah

[JMasterFlash]

I'm a real life pilot and the only simulator out there that I have tried and that has the level of authenticity I'm looking for, is DCS World.

And ralfidude, who's also a real life pilot and I know that because of his YouTube channel, also agreed with me in this thread, I come to the conclusion that when you love flying, you can easily spot when someone doesn't. And the "this is too complicated, how come people do this for fun?" it's very telling.

 

I'm sorry to do a rollback on the thread, but Ralfidude is not a pilot. He said so in the caption of one of his videos. Linebacker is however a private pilot.

[BitMaster]

We will die out if we dont take some measures to get new Pilots attracted.

 

For sure, this is Hardcore and I love it this way.

That doesnt mean there are others that could love it too

if they get a chance trying it out, maybe watch how it can be like

Once you are a REAL Armchair Pilot ;)

 

Many try it and turn away pretty soon afterwards,

thats how it is but some stay and become the

Aces of tomorrow.

 

Bit

[SkateZilla]

this thread has run it's course, locked to be cleaned.