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Hey All! I finally got some time to put together a little video from my trip to MAKS last summer. It's not LOMAC, but I figured you guys would enjoy it! ;) http://rapidshare.de/files/20205361/Unforgettable_05.rar.html Streaming

Yeah, but the moment you say "Hey - we don't need this!" and stop the project . . . . . sod's law guarantees that a new threat will pop out of the woodwork ;) It takes close to twenty years to bring a modern fighter into service from the design phase - a threat in international politics can develop in five years or less. It's a lot better to have a suitable aircraft waiting, than be caught napping and just not be able to respond. What would happen if (just for example) China in ten years time gets belligerent and the Raptor was cancelled in the 90's? At best, you'd have aircraft on a level spec with the enemy - that's no way to fight a way you want to win. If you can predict world politics twenty years ahead . . . . THEN you cancel weapons systems like that, but not before ;) Can't argue with the "Flanker got there first" argument - it did. To some extent the Raptor still isn't as maneuvrable as some of the supermaneuvrable Flanker prototypes . . . . . but it has a long, long list of other attributes which mean it doesn't need to be ;) You can only upgrade a Flanker so far - in the end, the Raptor will always, always be able to see the Flanker before the Flanker sees the Raptor. First look DOES mean first shot, almost always means first kill. I'm seriously impressed with the Raptor as a fighting aeroplane - you don't need to be a test pilot to do the maneuvres in a Raptor that you see Flankers doing at airshows. What else . . . . oh yes: Yes, but I felt that comment was rather unqualified. I got the distinct impression from that article that the F-16 pilot tried to fly a maneuvre in a MiG in the same way that he flew it in the F-16. You can be a bit more ham-fisted in a Viper than a Fulcrum . . . . . without knowing the story in it's entirety it's hard to draw a solid conclusion from that.

Nice, but can it do this? http://www.patricksaviation.com/aviation_videos/266/Su-37_Maneuvers

Хоть я очень сильно уважаю ЛО и всех кто его создал, но при всем уважении, я в чем-то согласен с "maverick_den". Ведь это наша любамая игра, которую многие ждали с нетерпением, которую все приняли со всеми недоработками и глюками и по сей день остаются ей верны и с надеждой ждут очередного патча, или аддона... А в итоге мы молучаем тот же ЛО со всеми недоработками, только в другой обертке и с новой картинкой.

It sure was 20 years behind the Flanker :P Who are you going to fight with the F/A-22? ... One thing that should be obvious by now is that there is a much bigger chance of fighting non-regular militia than fighting a regular army with clear targets. Luckily, I didn't pay taxes for its development :)

I'm sorry but by reading Very cool F-22 video in the thread title, and then realizing it weights 40MB I had to get it. I was expecting airshow tricks. Yes I did expect that when I just first show that crappy low res video with "just a pick of iceberg" in title.. then aircraft in the middle in some crappy weather and then realized that it is a public display. So yes. I've been expecting airshow tricks and with possible manuevering capabilities that F-22 has - yes - I've been expecting extraordinary awesome airshow tricks display. At the end I got very dissapointed. What did I get? Nothing really. Like I said I've been watching more interesting displays on daily basis just made by bored pilots that were put on a race-track around point to burn extra fuel. Have you felt insulted by my comment anyway? Any non over-hype positive comment about this movie is sulking & whining to you and a prove that someone is jealous about something? Yes about what exactly? :doh: You have some few complexes to deal with, man.

The jealous sulking & whining is what's boring. The F22 has a lot more substance behind it than a grossly overhyped airshow trick. By the way- there's nothing wrong with taking technology (like thrust vectoring) that someone introduced (publicy) before you, improving upon it, and packaging it in a manner that suits your own individual needs. Hmm.. how many examples of outright theft of American technology can we come up with ?? By the way- how many of these cobra-pulling airshow stunt planes are out there in service? These "vastly superior" machines that will be our death? I thought so.

I've just watched the video. Am I missing something here? Because I'm finding this display extremaly boring? Except that they've shown that the aircraft can fly there was nothing more, really. I'm used to watch fighter jets flying (mostly 29s) over my head when I worked in the airbase and pilots did more interesting displays just to burn the extra fuel before landing. This video seems like public display, and there's nothing really extraordinary about it. Oh well. Anyway F-22 is a remarkable plane.

I've seen several displays with both MiG-29 and Flankers (27 / 37 / 30 / etc) performing a "hook", i.e. a horizontal Kobra. Although this manouver is much easier in aircraft utilizing TVC, it is also perfectly possible in conventional aircraft.

Nice, so they've reached that... it'll take them 20 more years to create something that can mimic the Terminator's Frolov Chakra.* *The Frolov Chakra is a maneuver where an aircraft, such as the Su-37 performs a mid-air somersault of sorts. It is performed by following the standard procedure for a Cobra, but instead of snapping back to level flight it continues to pull the nose further back, at one point flying tail-first.

Touche! :D

Did the pilot make it out afterwards? :megalol:

And rus felt like making an engine that keeps alive no matter what you* think :) And I bet it IS a mostly russian engine in them new Fs ;) *not you - you... anybody - you :D

Its amazing how much pleasure some people get out of parroting the 'when its done' position. Of course we all know that to be the case. But when somebody asks for any new information, even a rumour, then they are bombarded with 'when its done'. Come on guys, we all know that it isn't a year off. Not even months off unless some major problems are found. The fact is, it's getting very close.

Found another cool video featuring the Mirage F1 in Tschad on Patrick's site ( wich is online again, hooray ). With over 600 MB pretty big, but well worth. http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos.php?action=view&id=238 Man the F1 is just so sexy. What would I give to take one up once and have some fun in the desert...