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Veit... yep, stay away from the mirrors and welcome to LockOn. I see you're playing on widescreen... you all set on the 1.6 aspect ratio and FOV?

Guys... hit the Saitek Forums on this one... just remember to sign in Seems like the admin is alluding to improved hall sensors and no dead zone in the firmware. One X-52 owner who laid hands on it very briefly said there was no reason to upgrade

Did he just call us "Chumps?" lol Powerpoint...hrmmmm ... I'm thinking a template, 2 sources and 5 pictures = 8 minutes of work and you're done. :director:

IQ = Image Quality ... that link doesnt work for me

Same boat... nothing in this conversation can deny the CPU limits of LOMAC, that as they say "is a dead horse" ... What I wanted is ATI IQ with Nvidia FPS and Driver Support... Still experimenting, I realized yesterday that I didnt have texture filtering to "high quality" ...man i hate that new CP. I'll try the one other driver this weekend but the IQ is looking real good now.

THe condition of that tank is amazing. Someone should do an environmental sample, it reminds me of the region (can't for the life of me remember which one) that in mideval times buried people in bogs. THe bog condidtion preserved the bodies for centuries. Ahah found it >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body lol ok.... im done

I think in some ways you're right. Part of the impotus for getting this card were the Firing squad benchmarks (see the first page.) I thought those were going to be a poor representation of in game performance. We all know we can look at the sky and get 250fps, it is the city and heavy action stuff that really hits us hard. I just wanted to "see." No surprise that it's not a sea change. However, having said that, outside of LOMAC this card is markedly awesome. I have tried Call of Duty 2, BF2142, BF2, CS, Joint Operations, FEAR and Dark Messiah (right now Ice is saying "does he really PLAY all of those games?" lol) and the FPS and IQ performance is awesome. Again, no surprise. More to come, I'm the first to give a go at this card and give replicatable feedback and I'm sure I am missing some things... Do me and this thread a favor and try the very same setup... F-15 quick mission - Everything (in game and on card) on high, except mirrors - zoom all the way back and fly by the city to the right at sea level.

Thats right.... I read his post wrong... I thought he wanted me to zoom IN on the city... I thought that was strange Ok... here I think his request is met. Again all is on high with 16xAF and 8xQAA (Control panel set to "Enhance application") and last screenshot..image shack took a dump http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r198/Battle_Rattle/ScreenShot_041.jpg Here are some other notes... Online play.... The miniwar mission on the 169th server is tough on computers. With these settings I tried out something my 7800gt had real trouble with, a Krymsk taxi and takeoff in a Su-25t. At these settings the results were the same... about 8 FPS through the entire rollout. IQ wise, I think i still need to look at some things and try diferent driveers, IQ has taken a turn for the worse and I think i should experiment with the CSAA stuff (http://guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/22/)

My pleasure bratpfanne, looking for stress suggestions as it is. I did the F-15 quick mission and went fo the first big city to the right. All was set to the highest except I had mirrors off. Card was at 16x AF and 8xQ AA. Is it this city? Closer Closer still Over City

Yeh ATI tools works for both cards. What I was getting with the 7800gt? It's hard to say, I really only ever payed attention in stessful card situations. I still need to find some stressful situations. As it stands there is a very noticable difference. I flew some quick missions with everything on... Mirrors on to max resolution, and full shadows (fullshadows aren't as bad anymore, some ships had poor deliniation at the water line but the effect is ok now.) At any rate I had all of it on (Plus 16x AF and 8x AA) and it was derfinetley playable. I just need to build an insane situation... Su-25t mission, taxi from Krasnodar and hit a dozen or so targets inside a city.

:D...ok all jokes aside Here are some thoughts. First thought right off the bat, "This thing is so much smoother and the IQ is better." Big deal, that's assumed. Here are some benchmarks and Lomac screen shots. 3dMark06 (Temps aren't an issue at all) http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7928/3dmark0618800gtshz6.jpg AquaMark http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r198/Battle_Rattle/Aquamark-1.jpg Lomac Settings: All Graphics Options on High, Running screen at 1680x1050, Driver setting of "Quality"... Looked for High Quality but it's not available, possible driver issue. A-10 Quick Mission - 3 Targets Burning http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3702/screenshot007td4.jpg A-10 Quick Mission - Buildings Burning and Mk20's exploding http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/474/screenshot016sg2.jpg That's it for now... The card draws power, but it's quite and is pumping out the pixels, Drivers really need work, 2d performance is somewhat fuzzy. For Lomac, I did nearly every quick mission (su-25t included) and attacked virtually all targets, at no time did I feel that it was ever going to get choppy.

Ok... I got major problems... The house just blew 5 fuses

Hello All, I bought the 8800gts and will do some testing with Lockon. I plan to see what this card has to offer and talk about any differences noticed. Be back in a bit Spec DFI Lanparty UT nF4 Ultra-D (704-2) AMD Opteron 165 @ 2.6 (CCBWE 0547TPMW) (w/Thermalright si-120) 2x1gig Mushkin eXtreme Perf. PC-4000 3-4-3-3 eVga 8800gts (Stock) Driver 97.02 ... Prior card was Nvidia 7800gt Creative X-fi Platinum Coolermaster Praetorian 730 w Enermax Liberty 500w PSU Gateway FPD2185W 21in LCD (1680x1050) Saitek X-52 Windows XP SP2 Dx9 Oct06 WindowsXP Changes: GUI set for "Best Performance" PageFile 1024 to 1024 HD Fast cache off Power Draw 7800gt 112w Idle ---- 194w load 8800gts 242w Idle ---- 306w load

Not neccesarily... I would follow Artic Silver's reccomendations to keep that chip frosty! The reccomendations do vary by chip type http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

That was funny.... I have to have that song. "I've had enough of this s--t im goin for the merge" lmao

I ordered the 8800gts!... will report back on tuesday/wednesday on the effects. My two rationalizations? 1) Ebay... my current card still has some value, so I upgrade without a ultra nasty hit. 2) I sat through essentially 2 significant gpu revisions DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D (704-2) AMD Opteron 165 @ 2.6 (w/Thermalright si-120) 2x1gig Mushkin eXtreme Perf. PC-4000 (3-4-3-8) BFG Nvidia 7800GT Creative X-fi Platinum Coolermaster Praetorian 730 w/Enermax Liberty 500w PSU Gateway FPD2185W 21in LCD Saitek X-52 TiR3 w/VE Beyerdynamic DT-990 pro’s w/mic mod

I thinkkkkkkk I shall not .... I'm thinking SP1 and a Dx10 game worth playing... who knows though

I know... Im giving them the benefit of the doubt though... I'm certain they didn't loiter over a city at the time they took their average (another assumption) ... I'm just very impressed at this card, and anything with LOMAC helps!

Very true... I'm telling you though, when the ATI R600 comes out I may be so tempted to just sell a testicle and upgrade to one of the new generation cards... I don't care if LOMAC is CPU dependent. :Flush: As for the Quad Core.... These things will be absolute monsters when games can use multiple threads... thats not today though

"False start! Return to the line gentleman... you have no more warnings!" :spam_laser:

Too bad there's no games to Utilize Dx10.... The most compelling thing to me is that Nvidia seems to have taken the Image Quality thrown now... I hope the ATI R600 is a credible response Edit... I dont care what their metrics are... Seeing 90fps next to a 16x12 LOMAC benchmark looks F-ing awesome :thumbsup:

I just read this entire thread and I think i need to say this... EscCtrl... Be careful ok....lol

Corsair... are you asking which direction the side fan should blowing? I'd say inwards...most side fans blow in and onto the CPU. What I would do is make sure your cables are nice and neat (it's an art, dont tell me it isnt (lol)) and have a good idea of cubic feet per minute being pumped in and out of your computer, check your case specs. I just remembered from the picture I posted... Replace your stock chipset fans with an improved one... chipset fans are like 8 bucks and it's good fun, lets you clear out the bunnies as well. Zaelu... nice HS

Anyone know of a site that talks about the metallurgical differences (i know they're extremely slight) between aluminum, copper, and nickel? Between copper and aluminum I think the difference is that Copper "grabs" heat better but Aluminum dissipates more quickly... dunno

Heat Is BAD BAD BAD!!! :) That thermaltake will do well to lower that cpu temp! It seems we have some Coolermaster fans on the forum! Here's a link to my case... Praetorian 730 http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/Products.aspx?pid=1121 And heres a pic of my heatsink and mother board from last week. I was lapping the heatsink... I'm a geek Thermalright Si-120 with panaflo ... keeps it rather frosty