Triggerhappy69

Pitbuilding Update 1. april 2010 - New front pedestal I'm looking forwards to that mate..! I started assembly of the new front pedestal today: I made these fasteners from 6mm plywood. And to be honest I'm pretty darned proud of this little idea! Because it will give me fastening points wherever I want along the frames. AND make the Pit possible to take apart for maintenance and/or upgrading.. See...? Sweet little thing.. This is just the rear part of the Front Pedestal (where the Cycllic stick is). The "empty" zone to the left will hold the Pedals. And the Trim Force mechanics will be situated in center. I had a bunch of these aluminum angles. And the work just perfect as corners..! All the fastening screws will be replased by 4mm countersunk head machine bolts with press-fitted nuts in the fastening plates. Finally it's home..! Tomorrow I'll be able to see if my Trim Force mechanics is a winner, or a total failure..! And naturally I made a new extention for my cyclic stick to..! I am not looking forwards to re-wiring the stick though..!

Thanx mate!:) I promise you to continue coming up with outragous ideas. As long as you promise to let me know when they suck..!:thumbup: I know..! I might have gone just a wee bit overboard with this latest setup! But anything worth doing, is worth doing right... right? (or was it ", is worth doing twise..?") Already working on my pilots licence mate..! I'll probably be flying by late summer this year.. :pilotfly:

ONEHUNDRED PAGES..!? .... food for thought.. WoW..!:smilewink: I really hadn't noticed this before now.? (..and yes..! At times it quite obvious, even to me, that I'm a bit over average slooow.. hehe) Thank god (or whatever you choose to call him) that all these pages can't be credited to me alone.. Because I honestly can't see myself having one hundred pages worth of interesting things to say..? I'd like to take this moment to extend my gratitude to all you guys who have helped me stumble my way to where my pit is today.. And I'm not just saying that to be polite..! When I started this project ages ago, I knew just two things for sure.. I had no 'friggin clue what I was doing, or even how/when I would reach my goal..? I had a head full of more or less usefull ideas and dreams, an over-active quriosity and a hobby room full of junk! And now, 100 pages later I have.... Well, let's not dwell on this in particular.. LOL I blame it on the pitbuilders in Viperpits.org..! I took one look on the F-16 pits they where building, and thought "That looks really REALLY difficult to do.. I just HAVE TO learn how to do it..!" ..looking back It's quite clear that although the great volume of ideas and suggestions can be credited to yours truly. The ideas that actually work come from you guys! But being of the positive kind I proudly take sole credit for approximatly 80 pages of crappy ideas... As far as the remaining pages go, I thank all you guys for them..!:thumbup:

Mechanical trim Force - Force Gradient Unit You remember this right? It's such an important part of the Force trim assembly, and yet so brilliantly simple in design. It's only function is to provide a spring loaded return-to-center force, while at the same time retain linear rigidity for the axis. In short it's a pushrod that has a spring mounted inside it! Without this function the Force trim would not work at all! Why you ask? ..... well ask then.... Well it's like this! Real life Force Trim assemblies are much more simple than the FFB substitute we use to simulate it. Basicly it is made up from this part (the Force Gradient Assembly), and a magnetic brake device mounted firmly to the helicopters frame after this... The Force Gradient Assembly (FGA) is not connected to any of the flying surfaces directly, but works in parallel with the pushrod that run from the cyclic to the swashplate. So try to imagine it like this: - The Magnetic Brake Device (MBD) is not activated, and you are moving the pushing the cyclic away from you... The pushrod runing from the cyclic moves the swashplate down in front (or down on the right side, depending on the rotor head geometrics). The FGA's springloading will move in conjuction with the pushrod, without compressing the spring at all. Simply because the MBD is'nt activated.. This is the Force trim system when you press the trim button and move the cyclic stick! - Then you let go of the trim button, and the MBD locks up! And all of a sudden the FGA is locked into position in both ends! Now the only thing that can prevent the cyclic stick from being impossible to move is the springloading inside the FGA. And this spring loading provides us with the return force for the axis.. ... untill you press the trim button to release the preasure on the spring, and let it settle in a new "neutral" possition again.. It's so simple, force-adjustable and precise I just love it! And it takes away the need for counter-balancing a top heavy cyclic stick all together..! Well here is my version of the same unit.. The bushings (black round dooda's at the ends of the threaded rod) I just found in a drawer at home.. They matched the inside diameter of the pipe good enough to run free inside, but I have absolutly no clue what they originaly was made for? The "rings" are slices cut from a pipe who's outside diameter mached the inside diameter of the main tube. Theyr only function is to prevent the bushings from exiting the main tube, and instead forcing the spring to be compressed. Giving the return force to the cyclic stick. Here you can clearly see that the nut that set the spring's end-point can be pulled out from the main tube. Leaving you with no other alternative but compressing the spring inside. Another brilliant thing with this setup is that weather you push or pull on the FGA it only compress the spring! Only difference is that it compresses it from opposite sides!? This completly rules out the need for balancing out two springs with a "piston" forcing only one spring to be compressed depending on weather you push or pull..? .... after reading through the text I have concluded (much to my despair) that I really REALLY should just go to bed..!?

Mechanical Trim Force assembly - Coming along.. And here they are..! Remember the industrial joystick I got from my friend (thanx Morten)? I stripped it down to the essential gimbal mechanism. The reason for this dramatic change from my FFB Cyclic was the hours in the Super-Puma and Sikorsky Sea-King simulators I was lucky enough to get. The first and quite obvious difference between my cyclic and the RL ones were two things: 1. The Force trim was more "defined" and tight arround the center. Meaning that there was no dead zone that I could notice... at all! And after some negotiating with the guys who worked there, I was (reluctantly from theyr side) allowed to crawl under the belly of the simulator to have a look-see. And there, much to my surprise, I found a bunch of massive solid-metal pushrods and bellcranks. There was no counter wheight to balance off the top-heavy cyclic stick? And no DC motors that act as FFB actuators? And when I trimmed the helicopter there was a clear and distinct "Click" sound followed by what I can only describe as a small "shivering feeling" in the cyclic stick! Both things are tell-tale signs of an elektro-mechanical direct input system.. 2. When I moved the Cyclic arround it felt like it had more mass..! The cyclic Stick was in no way hard to move arround. But the higher total mass of the system gave me a feeling of actually flying a many tons heavvy machine, and not a hollow plastic broomstick handle. It just made all movement off the Cyclic Stick more controlled and fluid.? Both of which who are good things for a helicopter pilot..! The main motivation for me rebuilding the HOCAS was the un presise return force, and the general feel when operating the cross-hear pipper to designate targets.. With the added total mass of the assembly, and after having filled the cyclic stick handle with epoxy-metal resin, I can safely say that it feels a lot more like the RL Cyclic now.! The all metal gimbal has been outfitted with ball-joints for the X and Y axis. The X axis is connected to force gradient unit to provide a strong, quick and defined return force in any position. The Y axis on the other hand work in a perpendicular dirrection to the X axis. And since I have a limited space in this direction, I chose to turn it's working vector with the help of a bellcrank. So now both X and Y axis working vector are parallel, and running lenghtwise toward the pedal assembly in the cockpit. The obviously over sized 90 degree angle bracket was chosen after a comment from one of you guys about being carefull to not make the mechanics to "flimsy".! At least this will not be the weakest point now, and all the other potential weak-spots run parallel? So correcting them, or balancing them out, should be easyer (I hope)? I will manufacture some kind of attaching "thingie" that will hold the thick-walled 20mm aluminum pipe firmly in place on the 10mm stick on top of the gimbal! Good for when I thrash the Cyclic Stick arround in despair while AAA and Stingers whistle around my ears.!?

Hey Jocman. Still haven't heard from Steinar? Let me know if not, and I'll give him another call. Short Progress report from my side: I have been thinking about this whole Force-Trim issue for quite some time now. And (as mentioned earlier) I just can not live with the feeling that FFB gives me after experiencing real life cyclic trim feel. And since the aluminum profile support structure that will hold the pedals, cyclic and Collective is finished now (pictures later), I have ordered three of these thingies! They are simple cable actuated brake calipers for mini motorcycles!? And will serve the same function as the magnetic brake in RL helicopters Force Trim systems (See nr12 in picture below) The Force gradient assembly I'll just build myself from springs and some aluminum tubes I've got here somewhere. It's so simple and uncomplicated that there is no point in looking for somewhere to buy them? The calipters will be normaly closed by means of a spring. And the opened when the trim button is pushed by three solenoids (24V). But before I start putting it all together, I have some news for all you desktop joystick users. A couple of days ago I finally got this baby: It's a disc brake assembly for a radio controlled motorcycle. And I wll be building it into an old Thrustmaster joystick mechanics. The calipers will be attached to the cyclics X and Y axis And the disc's will rotate freely around the same axis with springs attached to return it to center.. The calipers will either be activated by a servo that is controlled by a very simple 555 microchip control, or a Solenoid (if you don't like electronics) Do you get what I'm going for here now..!?:music_whistling: Yes.. It's a desktop mechanical (absolutely no center deadzone) Force trim mechanic that most likely will be possible to build into a standard desktop HOTAS of your own choise.. And when you don't fly a helicopter simulator you simply just don't press that one button, or you can give it another function (again.. if you like to fiddle around with electronics).. The first pictures of the desktop mechanics will be ready by wednesday I hope.. One major issue though. I need confirmation that it is possible to activate the Trim function WITHOUT a FFB joystick ID recognized by DSC!? Anyone ..?:helpsmilie:

I just talked to him on the phone an hour ago. And it seems he has'nt got got your request yet? But he promised to read up on this forum after we hung up!

You mean this one? 'cause this is one of the 4-way switches in the Ka-50. The one in this picture is for the APU. However there is one on the right switch panel and another two on the overhead panel if I am not wrong? It might look complicated to make, but if anyone is in dire need of one I can whip them out on the good'ol CnC for you..:thumbup: I have tested the one I have on the APU panel extensively now. And it works like a charm every time still!

I promise... I promise..!;) I just HAD TO take some time away from pitbuilding because it was taking up way to much of my attention..? I mean... I just simply love this whole learning process, and getting to know you guys more end more in RL to.. Honestly I have not once talked to anyone in the pitbuilding community, and thought "what an *ss" afterwards..! And that says a lot about the intelectuall qualtity you all possess..! But after almost a year of work it was time to get back into being serious again. And knowing myself, there was no other way than going "cold turkey" for a while.. ..NEW CYCLIC STICK MECHANISM.. A friend of mine got me this joystick from a supply ship. And since I was about to build a new gimbal anyway, I decided to take it apart and use the mechanism for my new cyclic stick with Force trim. The plan is this: I will extend the axis with a 2mm aluminum plate (from the side opposite to where the sencors gear is) with approx 50mm. This plate will slide freely between the brakepads and calipter from a bicycle diskbrake. The calipter slides on the linear bearing from a drawer, and is springloaded so that it always returns to the center position. When I push the trim button a solenoid (or servo) releases the disk brake, allowing me to move the stick to it's new position. And releasing the trim button locks the stick in place again.. My goal is having a much firmer center position with no deadzone. I'll make some simple drawings explaining later tonight..

Hey Alex.! And I have a stable internet line at home now to. :thumbup: We need to update each other 'cause LOST has happened..! How about later tonight?

It doesn't sem to be an option with two FFB controllers as the sim is right now?

I'll be testing this shortly. But as far as I can see It will have be a combination of a seperate mechanical trimming and an IO Card that is programmed to activate the trim command.. But as I said, I haven't tried it yet..

I'm Back..! Thanx man..!:) It's been a while now since I have been able to update this post. Mostly since my moving and starting a new job took ALL of my attention for a while. But now (read as "yesterday") I got my new cockpit building room sorted, and I'm back on track again.. Jocman, if you leave Stonehard a message at this link: http://www.computerpartner.no/shop/catalog/contact_us.php?osCsid=54629dccdb53c6aa991cd15221125462 He'll get back to you pretty quick.! I'll be sure to let him know when I talk to him on the phone later. Lots'a things has happened in these few months since my last update. I had the joyfull experience of having two hours in a professional Super Puma simulator, and another two on a Sikorsky Seaking simulator.! And not only was it PURE FUN, but it made me re-think the HOCAS mechanics all together. First the Super Puma: A bit of an "out there" landing..? On approach to Stavanger Airport Sola (the next second one of the instructors cut both my engines.. 'Cause they got annoyed that I didn't tell them beforehand that I actually knew how to fly the thing.. LoL.. I did however manage to autorotate the helicopter and land on the runway.) This is inside the Sikorsky Sea King simulator: RL helicopters use a combination of a mechanical spring loaded return setup combined with a magnetic brake assembly. As you see in the next image this combined setup runs paralell with the control rods that activate the swashplate/tailrotor This type setup compared to a FFB cyclic setup gives you a much more defined center. And that is precisely what I missed with my current MSSWFFB2 cyclic mod.! Also since it will require more pushrods and bellcrancs, it will give the Cyclic stick more mass.. And this was also noticed when I flew the Simulators at CHC as here in Stavanger (norway) www.chc.ca/training_simulators_super_puma.php. It just felt "heavier" if you catch my drift? Not less presice, but "heavier"..!? (dunno if this makes any sence to you at all..?) And yeah.. I almost forgot..! I have become a member of the 737NG Flightsim team at the Historic Air Museum Sola here in Stavanger. Currently my primary function is to see if I can find a way to get the FFB on our Professional, Fullsize, fully enclosed, beautifull, state of the art 737 NG cockpit up and running again. This sim used to be owned by Braathens SAFE (a national airline company), and used to educate and train the pilots. And Espen and the other guys have completely rebuild the interiour to the new NG version.. And I am building two new full metal 500mm X 500mm working area CNC routers. One for me, and the other is my delayed christmas gift to the museum. (even more pics here) Well that's all for now.. I've got a lot of images to upload and post..!

This might come out as sounding really strange coming from a white guy..! But just coming up with this MOD is so brilliant that my virtuall self will from now be dark skinned..! :) Good idea..! Rep inbound!

Yes I will..!:thumbup: I just got new components to build 5 new FFB amplifiers. And this time I'll do the pre power-up testing with you Alex..! And as soon as I either get the gerber file, or make it myself, I'll be cnc'ing the pcb's..

He He.. It's such fun to see you guys digress like this..! I didn't want to interfear and maybe break your line of thought.. I've been real busy (actually I haven't been as effective as I wanted) getting packed and ready to move to Stavanger. All the time I have spent in my cockpit room has been focused on learing to operate the CnC mill. And it's quite clear to me that I need to build another one ASAP.! A router this time, with 400x500mm working area.. I have got the rough scetch done, and will make it out of 10mm Aluminum plates. .. picture? If you are referring to the picture of chairman Mao, it's still here on my screen.. I don't see why it should be removed? He seems to ba having a real good time there..! Ps. Hey Alex..! What do think..? About Karia I mean..!? He He.. Cool girl or what? you just 'gotta love these northern girls.. They are so ... primal..! Rrrrr..

.......... then why do they NEED to have the parade? I mean, if it's such an obvious risk? And shouldn't the presence of this risk indicate that the parade really isn't that big a deal for people? .... again.. I just don't understand why we tend to lean towards obvious stupidity all the time..

Well I guess you never know before you look.. But I did a test piece earlier. And as long as you let the last coat of white paint dry completly it doesn't seem to be a problem.. At least not with tis type spraypaint? But you point is excellent Alex..! I used to airbrush all the canopys of my RC helicopters. And you need to test a patch every time you try new paint combinations..!

Actually, neither of those methods..!? There are no engraved plates. The first layer of white gloss is to let the light from the LED's, that are embedded into the panel from behind, light bounce back and spread more evenly. Without being absorbed or diffused by from reflecting on a coat of black dull paint.. And I will mask the "text pockets" first, then engrave letters through the mask and approx 0,5mm into the panel. leaving a V-shaped groove that will emitt light from the inside. And lastly, if all goes well and before I remove the mask in the text-pockets. I will use this mask yo apply white paint only into the v-shaped groove from the engraver. Leaving light to come out only through the letters when backlighted. And all letters clearly visible in daytime.. ... If all goes well...

Getting ready for some engraving now:

The G-Codes: Here's the G-Codes for the Target Panel: Outer Cut % O5000 (OUTER CUT.TAP) ( MCV-OP ) (16-SEP-2009) (SUBROUTINES: O2 .. O0) G90 G17 G80 G49 G40 G54 G91 G28 Z0 G90 M01 N1 M6 T2 (TOOL -2- MILL DIA 4.0 R0. MM ) G90 G00 G40 G54 G43 H2 D32 G0 X-15.351 Y9.175 Z20. S500 M3 M8 (-------------------) (S-CONTOUR-T2 - SLOT) (-------------------) X-15.351 Y9.175 Z10. Z2. G1 Z-2. F16.5 G42 G1 X-13.936 Y10.59 F49.999 X-2.298 Y-1.048 G3 X0. Y-2. R3.25 G1 X143.964 G3 X146.263 Y-1.048 R3.25 G1 X161.78 Y14.47 G3 X162.732 Y16.768 R3.25 G1 Y73.232 G3 X161.78 Y75.53 R3.25 G1 X146.263 Y91.048 G3 X143.964 Y92. R3.25 G1 X0. G3 X-2.13 Y91.205 R3.25 G1 X-17.648 Y77.741 G3 X-18.768 Y75.287 R3.25 G1 Y16.768 G3 X-17.816 Y14.47 R3.25 G1 X-13.936 Y10.59 G40 G1 X-15.351 Y9.175 Z-4. F16.5 G42 G1 X-13.936 Y10.59 F49.999 X-2.298 Y-1.048 G3 X0. Y-2. R3.25 G1 X143.964 G3 X146.263 Y-1.048 R3.25 G1 X161.78 Y14.47 G3 X162.732 Y16.768 R3.25 G1 Y73.232 G3 X161.78 Y75.53 R3.25 G1 X146.263 Y91.048 G3 X143.964 Y92. 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I did try to reproduce the flames.. But the motor wouldn't even start..? BUMMER!!!

Todays pics

He He.. Ok man..! I don't shy away from a dare..! I've still got the router motor mounted in the CnC. And tomorrow I'll try to reproduce the flames.. :cry: .... mainly because it's just fun... hehe

Judging from the picture I don't think it has more that maybe 10-15 degrees deflection? Old A-10 New A-10 But I would go for a Hall Effect Sensor that rotates in a magnetic field like this: This will give you a super precise input (hall effect sensors are really precise), and a full curve with only +- 15 degrees deflection on the stick! I don't think the pedals are the same as the F-16 though? This is just guessing on my behalf, but an A-10 pilot probably use the pedals more than an F-16 pilot does when attacking targets. And with the pilot on he's/her's back inside the cockpit, your range with your feet are limited compared to the more upright position of an A-10 pilot.. the F-16 Rudder pedals don't have a whole lot of place to move arround in either.. As far as the A-10 goes the pedals look like they are suspended from arm that pivot around a pivot point that is higher than the pedals.. At least that is what is drawn in the A-10 manual..