Teknetinium

I respect your opinion but I dont shere it whit you, Like you are saying Russian airforce would have a diffrent approche where no one can for sure say if it would end up in BVR or in WVR.

Don't agree. There is plenty aircraft that could stand against each other in a fair fight. Su-30MKI vs F-15E Su-34 vs F-15E Su-27M3 vs F-15E Su-35 vs F-15E/F-35 Su-27S vs F-15C from same timeframe are perfectly comperable as well. Su-27S+ER-27 vs F-15C+ Aim-120B.

It becomes more relevant to play by same rules when we have F-35 in SATAC championship vs Su-27 from 80s. In my opinion that is not playing by same rules, becomes like ka-50 vs UH-1. I would argue about Aim-120C as well which would face R-77 combined with ERs. Aim-120B would face ERs if we look at timeframe when this missiles went in service. That is my opinion If we want to play by same rules. Since ED are not keeping any timeframe we as users have to set it ourselves.

Ka-50 systems are not easy to find, like ABRIS, but ED made it possible. I thought that ED could cooperate with another partner that could provide information for DCS Su-27SM. I believe that was the case with Ka-50 and A-10C. I'm more than happy to get any fighter to DCS level until that fighter have something equal to fight. I would not want that in RL but since it is a simulator I rather fight F-15s in my Su-27 then Mig-21. I will continue to scream on till the day we fight by same rules.

I'm a real beginner in P-51 and I have managed to shoot Dora down. Need some patience and more flying I guise.

Witch missile is faster AIM-120C or ER-27? On the net i can only find that ER-27 is a faster missile.

Agree when we talk about DCS level. For FC3 level everything is possible since F-35 announcement.

If ER-27 is a faster missile why do Aim-120C hit not maneuvering target befor ER dose? You can see from the test me and Rage made that both ER-27 and AIM-120C are taking same trajectory but Aim-120C reaching the target a second before ER-27 dose. Is that not wrong? Everywhere I look points to that ER-27 is faster and have bigger legs. Volks calculations indicate that as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37 In 2003 there was secound modernization. "In addition to Su-27 conversions, three production Su-35s were completed in 1996 and delivered to Russian Air Force (VVS) for testing.[20] During the Su-35's flight test programme, active controls during manoeuvres such as the Pugachev's Cobra and tailslide could not be maintained. The eleventh Su-27M (T10M-11) was built by KnAAPO and delivered in 1995 for the installation of exclusive systems to give it thrust-vectoring capabilities. The resultant Su-37 technology demonstrator made its first flight in April 1996.[21][22] A second Su-35 was modified into an Su-37 in the late 1990s.[23] In total, 15 airworthy Su-35s (Su-27M) were produced, including an Su-35UB two-seat prototype, along with two static test prototypes.[1][24] The Su-35UB, powered by two modified AL-32FPs with thrust-vectoring nozzles, made its first flight on 7 August 2000. It was demonstrated to South Korea during that country's F-X replacement fighter tender, before becoming an avionics testbed.[25] The original Su-35 never entered serial production due to a lack of funding,[20] and the VVS continued to use its Su-27 fleet. The Su-35's automatic control of canards and the Su-37's thrust-vectoring technology were applied to the Sukhoi Su-30MKI.[26] One of the Su-35s, T10M-10, served as a testbed for the AL-41F1A engine intended for Russia's upcoming fifth-generation jet fighter.[27]"

Sorry i dont.

This is what you should face if you want to play by same rules.

Do you feel offended :)Or do you again spamming the thread away from what the real problem is by starting teaching people how to express them selfs.

LOL, do you feel good about yourself when you help people to not show their frustration? It seems you really don't care about Su-27, why do you even reply to this posts. Its not enough whit spamming aim-120, you are starting to spam threads with your nonsense as well. If F-15 had as much attention as Su-27 in FC3 those who fly F-15 would be frustrated even more. PLZ, F-15 pilots were complaining because of blinking jammer, saying its not fear I can not take HOJ shots, it seems some just don't know how to play by same rules. At the moment its BIAS BS in FC3 where Su-27 doesnt work. I can feel the shit being in the air for some time now, like 9 months. People do get frustrated when they dont have their favorite aircraft working. Im not talking about the bias approach that I feel there is. The Su-27 aircraft's do not work LOL. And we just sitt and wait while you enjoy your F-15. Thats not what I paid for, I did not pay for having F-15 working but not Su-27!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:censored:ED. I know that DCS have bigger problems then Su-27s EOS, TWS but we did purchase FC3 and not F-15 update.

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Yes Volk the test is made 07.08.2013. Original version.

WOW on second video from 2:40, good hard 360 turn :)

This tests are made in FC3 1.2.5 after the missile fix. Someone might find use for it. Both launching platforms had same speed, alt, executing same maneuver and released same amount of Chaff. Missiles that were tested against each other. AIM-120C - ER-27 AIM-120B - ER-27 AIM-7 - ER-27 There is tacview files and track files in the Missile test.rar folder. Download link: https://rapidshare.com/files/2405291598/Missile%20Test.rar

Those labels appear when people have doble moral.

It is not directed directly at you.

Its funny that there is more F-15 fanboys typing in this thread the actually Su-27. Since FC3 there have never been so low activity by Russian aviation enthusiasts. I will not list why since thouse posts get delited. It is a shame how Su-27 have been threaded in FC3.

How many know top speed of F-22 and F-35? Whit Su-27SM you can atleast get the airdynamics right. And since there is more pilots that could talk about Su-27 flight dynamics it would get more realistic when you look in to AFM compere to F-35 or F-22.

GG why don't you have same attitude to F-35 and F-22 thread F-22, F-35 forget it :)

sorry for my spelling, but if you knew anything about this community you would know that 51st flying Su-27S mainly don't fear anyone, special f-15 fanboys. Since we have pounded them all even with outdated half working systems.

GG understand that when Su-27S model was out there was only development on aim-120B so you are flying in a dream whit aim-120B from 1994-2004 against missiles from 1986.