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How Will f-18 come to its full potential in Nevada?:joystick:

We have been conducting test in same conditions for each patch with recorded tacviwes, when we compare them there is no change yet.

Is it for DCS?

Andreas Englund.

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Exactly, bigger mass of ER-27 dose not work against it in at all situations. When the missile is diving down, it should sustain velocity better then lighter one, drag is playing a big roll I this as well in witch we have little info.

Exactly a faster ER-27 would not change anything since you have a pittbull befor ER-27 reach you. But I would always want to kill a bandit faster then slower. Faster ER-27 would not make a game changing, it increases the mutual kill scenario if both lunch from, lets say 10km.

Lofting is not usfull from 25km ;) It is reasonable for ER-27 to be slightly faster in the game so the one who use ER-27 have a chance to hit the target before Aim-120 hit him. We can at least give it a mutual kill if we cannot prove our claims to 100%.

I'll really don't believe your claims GG, that AIM-120B should have better range then ER-27 nor faster. AIM-120B should be closer to R-27. and AIM-120C closer to ER-27 in terms of range.

I'll live it here, The source I talk to claims the opposite. Me and Frostie tested the file done by volunteers and ER-27 was faster by 2 sec from 25km. It is reasonable for ER-27 to be slightly faster in the game so the one who use ER-27 have a chance to hit the target before Aim-120 hit him. We can at least give it a mutual kill if we cannot prove our claims to 100%.

What does support that Aim-120C burns for 13sec:) The arguments are there and are proven by data that is available to us that ER- 27 should retch non maneuvering target faster then aim-120c. Lofting would extend the range but not the time:) I guise you know where to find those claims on ED forums. As I understand Chiz agree that ER-27 is a faster missile then Aim-120c. I believe Working on ER-27 is done by ED at the moment. If the missiles will get accordingly to what Chiz proposed, Er should become faster in future updates then AIM-120C.

wrong post.

I hope some of this will change, ER-27 should be faster the Aim-120C!!!

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4th gen Fighters fly whit FBW, if not the aircraft would be very sensitive and unstable, or might not be able to fly without it. You could use this to your advantage where the aerodynamics of the aircraft without FBW would make you do something crazy. If you could make this with some sort of control or prediction where your aircraft will be after such extreme maneuver, it becomes useful. I believe that other aircrafts except MIG-29 dont do it because they get different outcome each time they execute such moves. Watch from 1:51 and you will notice that one of them lose control while executing Cobra. J-35 went in to service 1959 ;)

Like both of us saying, it is a demonstration of extreme AOA as the bell maneuver. Su-27 aerodynamics does allow the aircraft to higher AOA than others, Cobra is a demonstration of that, You don't need to take it to Cobra extremes, as shown in Su-33 video. Whit fly by wire you can throw the aircraft out of the control, because of the aircraft's unstable aerodynamics makes it possible. To get back control, you need the right aerodynamic if you don't have TVC. Im sure F-15 can do Cobra but it would take longer time to regain control, that why swedish pilots did Cobra in DRAKEN at higher ALT. I believe I have seen F-15 pull a hard turn whit no AOA limiter, Cant find it.

Dont agree , You can throw the aircraft into AOA with help of TVC, look at X-31, from 41 sec where the pilot force the aircraft into AOA with help of TVC. It can be used for making better turns in supersonic but it can as well be used in dogfight, as Su-27s Cobra ( cobra is a demonstration, you don't need to pull as much as shown in Su-33 video. I have read what you say, maybe we are trying to say same thing. Or I dont understand you.

Then I would claim that F-22s vector engines are ineffective in combat :) lunaticfringe, is it not useful that Su-27 can turn 360° faster than F-15 and F-16 as well :? The beauty about Su-27s airdynamics is that it can handle any situation you throw the aircraft in at low speeds, Where othere 4th generation aircrafts have problems to recover or need more altitude to do that, even if they have better processors for their fly by wire. :) Here is one example where aircraft can get saved by AOA at ur disposal.

How hard is it to accept that it is better to have the Cobra maneuver at ur disposal then not. Su-27 pilots do know what saving energy means. Su-27 doesnt need the cobra maneuver in RL, it can fly slower and have higher AOA than any other fighter of 4th generation. Su-27 makes a Barrel roll when F-15 or F-16 on the six and they both fly by like in top gun. I remember someone was telling the engines with vector was no needed because the missiles will do all the job, still you see vector engines on F-22, execute maneuvers that Su-27 did in 80s :) There are many technical issues as well, as the load on the wings, engines flameout and so on. I have not seen F-18 do the bell maneuver. Do someone have a video of that?

I wish I could share you opinion GG. EDs actions for this two years that have passed should tell us a lot of how they approach the product they are working on.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116134 This looks interesting. Lets hope xcom makes it work.

Interesting, keep up the good work.