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(joking) This picture might be helpful in explaining how chaff works. Just move the radar more or less behind the missile somewhere.(/joking) Edit: And on a serious note, that's where a missile SHOULD miss...IMO.

^^^^ You and your corkscrewy-500kts-on-top-coming-back-down-with-trigger-held trickery. Protip: Don't BFM Stuge. Agreed, heaters are mean when you point your rear end towards them. Though they're equally as mean when you don't have the energy to defend them... Blow through a mach 1.5 and don't look back! :D

IIRC, AIM-7M and R-27ER have the same CM resistance and whatnot.

I think the seeker's gameplan after losing track is an issue here...I read a document a while back that mentioned the ability of certain (or perhaps most? wasn't specific at all :( ) IR missiles to continue their last maneuvering command after target track is lost...I wonder if the SARHs are doing something similar? Maybe THAT is what needs explaining or improvement? IDK, just throwing ideas at the drawing board...

I was trying to point out a few problems here...if I wasn't clear enough (I totally understand that, I am hard to follow occasionally.) then, I'll try to make my point(s) now: First off, what good is showing tracks/tacviews alone? I understand posting a bunch of them and then say, a manual, an anecdote from a real operator, something that proves that the sim is wrong...Most of what I see here is a few, dedicated guys who think the sim is wrong and might have something to show about how chaff and missiles generally work IRL...but not specifically for the R-27(E)R and Su-27S. One other thing to consider here is that maybe ED actually knows how this stuff works...I have seen some posts on here that would suggest ED has access to data and whatnot that us lowly sim-ers don't. Secondly, I agree, fueling the fire (and it seems like my post came off like that, not quite my intent) and the peeing contests are useless, unhelpful, and are not contributing anything to the sim...but neither is ignorance and/or being a "fanboy" of a certain side/aircraft/weapon system/whatever. Some people in this thread (and the other AAM thread) have contributed a LOT, some haven't, some really don't care. Personally, I'm mostly fine with SARH-CM interaction as is. I think the out of seeker FOV stuff needs fixing, and any FCS/sensor system modeling that could change the equation should be added/fixed/improved...although I think ED said they're kinda done with major FC3 avionic improvements? So I suppose we'll talk about that whenever we get an ASM Su-27S! :D All that said, I do wish we had more missions/platforms/weapons oriented towards the days when SARH was in style...because right now, its mostly ARH vs SARH, which while realistic enough, isn't FUN for some people. Though mission design, wishlists, and all that are OT stuff for this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

Remember when the new chaff thread was all about data and knowledge and a funny spaceballs clip about radar jamming? Why don't we go back to that? Or just lock this thread because its really not going anywhere useful?

Strike Eagle first, pleeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase. I wouldn't mind a Viper too, but the F-15E's my favorite strike aircraft out there...(well, Thud II is my favorite, but I ain't getting that any time soon, if ever).

(JOKING) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-27_(air-to-air_missile)#Ethiopia_and_Eritrea (/JOKING) It'd be interesting if research was that easy :( In your scenario here it sounds like you're facing multiple Eagles in your Flanker from BVR...that SHOULD be a death sentence, with or without perfect missiles. Honestly, if its not chaff/beaming/ground clutter defeating your stuff, a half-decent jammer just might, although that's not quite modeled (yet). DLZ's are currently somewhat meaningless due to the kinematic situation, but that's a totally different thread...as is Flanker tactics, actually! ;)

Before anyone misinterprets the following text here, I am NOT trying to fuel the fire... Anyway, I think you guys are overplaying the whole SARH chaff thing...besides chaff that might be out of the field of view/illumination/whatever affecting missile tracking, what the heck is the problem? Y'all can call a few people here Eagle fanboys, but you guys certainly sound like Flanker fanboys. Oh, also...this sounds a lot like a post I made on page 16... :music_whistling: Edit: thx rage...sorta forgot about that post. This thread is going to heck again........................ :(

Uhh... You sure the -33 has those? I thought it had no AGM/precision weapons capabilities? Sounds pretty cool, though! :)

Not sure if anyone told you...but the R-3R is massively overperforming in just about all areas (seeker included). :book:

The US DOES use T-38s as aggressors though. [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmDj3mFrXQ[/ame] IIRC, Langley operates T-38s to make Raptor salad. P.S.: Happy New Year.

I am darn glad I got a new CPU...I think your new models are going to need it! Great update, hope you guys at LN have a Happy New Year!

I used this for my refueling sound... [ame]https://ia700705.us.archive.org/7/items/ElevatorMusic_747/ElevatorMusic-8844-free-loops.com.ogg[/ame]

One of the guys in my squad did that... He also made AMRAAMs fly at mach 20...at 25,000ft. :megalol:

Wow! Excellent.

I think they're using the default functionality for all (not SPO-10) RWRs in-game... Seems like its just not scaled right, yet.

I've been having similar issues after a new mobo/cpu/SSD...this should do the trick when I get a chance! Thank you so much MadDog! Edit: Just tried using the registry things (and figured out how it works so I could delete the registry keys that don't have a delete thing on the website) and it WORKS! :D

Darn it Mav', I want to get on your server with RN-28-I mean Mk-82s on my F-15... I can't because I'm reinstalling DCS on my new SSD... :(

I don't really want to just post a meme and no text...but...

Its the radio assist option in 'Options --> Gameplay"

Maybe ER is the bugged one! :megalol: (I'm being serious, sorta)

Why is this thread in the FC3/Su-27 section? There are missiles outside of R-73s guys. *looks at Stuge and Rage* :D

I took that as "You can't modify countermeasure amounts." Note how chaff/flare selection is blocked out in the mission editor...IIRC its definable in the aircraft lua or something. Quick edit: burnjp5, try using the manual chaff and flare options...they work for me, haven't tried the Q (chaff and flare) dispense command yet.

Isn't this a long-standing complaint with AFM AAMs in general around here? Honestly, I don't even care...GUNS GUNS GUNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!* *Warning, you have very limited ammo, aim carefully. :D