JG13Wulf

It's a big wish I know but it's really really annoying ! Each plane are differents but ... Can you stop making them so different ? I explain myself with german warbirds ... Look at the control of Bf 109 K4, Fw 190 D9 and Fw 190 A8. All of them have similar controls because they uses similar systems. But none of them use similar controls on same system. For the 190 D9, you have 1 control on/off for master arm For Bf 109 K4 you have 2 controls for master arm (on and off) + safety on the stick For Fw 190A8 you have 1 control for master arm + one safety on the stick But for those 3 it's exactly the same system (yes exactly) and those behave differently Once master arm is off D9 : you can shoot (no safety) K4 : you have to turn off safety on stick to fire guns. If not no guns fire. A8 : You can shoot cowling gun with safety on but not the other. Why they work differently ? They have the same stick (or really similar one with the same safety and touch poisition). Other difference : Stopwatch. Complete in Fw 190 D9 and A8. Completly different in K4 ... But it's the same in the three planes ... I can find more but i'm borded and really upset about this because it seems that it's not a bug to make things that were created to be similar IRL so different ! German planes were design with similar system in the cockpit so training was easier and it was possible to quickly transfer pilot from a type of plane to another with not so much training. Please make something about it ! There are 3 germans, 1 british and 1 US. Modify them now to have a correct standard and then make the next with the same standard. But stop changing it for each planes ! It would take less time to make it right now than trying to correct 10 planes later ! A bored pilot who prefer to remake 5 controls profiles now than 10 in some years !

Can you change the fact we can use MG 131 when stick safety is still on. Safety on = no gun can fire ! Just to have something similar with Bf 109 K4 and Fw 190 D9. Those have the same stick and can't shoot with safety on ! That how it should work ! Thanks !

Make all plane differently ! Add functionnality on some plane that should not be implement because it was designed to do exactly the opposite ... Yeah ! Love people like you. "We could press the button even if it's absolutely not designed to work that way !" Can't believe you don't get it's completly stupid the point you defend ....

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It's not a perfet replica. And yes he press it by turning completly the stick in front of him. But in normal position he can't reach the button. So this is clearly a safety. It's a bug !

How can you imagine a pilot to fly the plane and reach this with his glove ? Explain me please.

Here we go ... It was made to not be reachable for pilot with glove in normal condition. It's a safety ... Your point of view is just ... :helpsmilie: No bug ? So this plane is not as real as described ... By looking at this topic, I'm worried about how the rest of the plane will be design ...

Yes I agree. There must be mistake. Someone get me this. You can find on page 61 there is a performance sheet and they seems to talk about GM1 (for A8 ). https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4xitrrBUDsYajNkNUg0QlFFWms/view EDIt : See page 2 and end of page 3 too: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/td284.pdf But can't read it. If you look, lot of test were made with C3. So logic that the Fw 190 in DCS is design with it. But hope they don't just work the A8 with only the C3 in mind.

I trust they did their job. the main question of the topic is that what they are going to do with what they find ? Are we going to have only the choice in the editor between: - nothing in the tank - C3 in the tank Or are we going to have the two other choice (GM1 and MW50) or one of them in the futur. But the first answer was : "Never used on Anton" So I search quickly to proof it's wrong. And yes it's a possibility that all the sources come from a unique one from nowhere (but I don't think so because there are lot of other who talk about the same). It would be a big conspiracy :D But as I said I don't know where to find old official doc. I'm sure they have the possibility to contact people who now. (Fighter collection, modern Luftwaffe, Airbus (they bought some old german compagnies I heard), french air force as they used NC 900 which are french made Fw 190A, ...)

Zut ^^ Désolé mais je l'aurais bien pris sinon :p Tu as essayé de poster sur C6 ? Tu trouveras plus de francophones. Peut être tu trouveras des intéressés ;)

Yeah I understand that DCS need hard data. But I'm not expert in aviation or historian. There are people here who have better sources than me or know where to find it. So if I can find informations about it, I'm sure they have better. And even if I don't have hard data, these informations are still valuable. Lot of different sources talking about the same thing in the same way with the same numbers.

I can try to find that but I think some people have good source to find those old official documents that I don't have.

I'd like to have the plane correctly made. Yes it's maybe not usefull for BS server. But could be usefull for historical mission.

SOURCE 1 : First here some screen from a book about Fw 190 (french but i try to translate under). First picture, first part of the text under Fw 190A8 : " It is at the beginning of this year 1944 that comes out of the chains of the last version of the series A which will know a mass production: fw 190 A8. It still uses the same BMW 801 D2 engine but also carries an additional internal 115L tank that fits behind the pilot seat, which is added to the two 232 and 292L belly tanks. The GM-1 overheating system with its 85L tank saves the aircraft 60 km / h up and down at 2700 rpm and is mainly used on the A8 / R1 ..." Second picture, first part : "The air-cooled double-star 14-cylinder BMW 801 D2 engine is equipped with a two-stage compressor that restores to 1500 and 5000 meters and develops 1705 hp at take-off. In flight, an automatic device regulates the engine speed, the intake pressure and the air / fuel mixture. An overpower system is mountable and usable a tens of minutes. It increases the speed of some 20 km / h. Designated MW50 (methanol wasser = 50% methanol and 50% water), it consists of a tank of 140 lites replacing the rear fuselage tank. The assembly in the same place of a GM-1 tank of 85L (nitrous oxide based melenge) is also possible and provides a gain of 60 km / h up and down at 2700 rpm but increases the total weight of the device of 35 kg ..." --------------------------------------------- SOURCE 2 Then here is a link who talk about Fw 190 in general. There is data about emergency power (french too google translate under). http://fandavion.free.fr/FOCKE.WULF-190-constructeurs.htm From link above : "Les craintes des Britanniques s'apaisèrent le jour où, par suite d'une erreur de navigation, l'Oberleutnant Arnim Faber, « Adjutant » du l l l/JG-2, se posa avec un Fw-190 intact sur la base de Pembrey, dans le sud du pays de Galles. Le 23 juin 1942, les ingénieurs anglais purent donc, tout à loisir, étudier la « bête rare » et la faire voler, constatant ainsi que sa vitesse de pointe (629 km/h) était inférieure à celles du Spitfire IX et du Typhoon. En revanche, le Spitfire V apparut dépassé. Ces données furent vite périmées, avec l'apparition au sein de Jagdgeschwader basés en France d'une nouvelle version du Fw-190, le A-4. Propulsé par un BMW-801 D-2 de 1705 ch, il était en outre équipé d'un système d'injection d'eau et de méthanol (MW-50) qui lui donnait pendant de courtes périodes une puissance de 2 100 ch et lui permettait des pointes de l'ordre de 670 km/h à 6 200 m, vitesse comparable à celles du Spitfire IX (657 km/h) et du Typhoon (645 km/h), en service à la mi-1942. Des sous-versions du Fw-190.A-3 apparurent également à cette époque : le Fw-190.A-3/U1 comme chasseur bombardier équipa le 10(Jabo)/JG-2 et le 10(Jabo)/JG-25, de même que le Fw-190.A-3/U7, tandis que le A-3/U3 servait pour l'attaque au sol et le A-3/U4 pour la reconnaissance." ==> translation google : " British fears abated the day when Oberleutnant Arnim Faber, "adjutant" of lll / JG-2, landed an intact Fw-190 on the basis of Pembrey, due to a navigation error. South Wales. On June 23, 1942, the English engineers could, therefore, study the "rare beast" and make fly, so note that the top speed (629 km / h) was lower than those of Spitfire IX and Typhoon. In contrast, the Spitfire V appeared outdated. These data were quickly outdated, with the Jagdgeschwader mouse announced in France of a new version of the Fw-190, the A-4. Powered by a BMW-801 D-2 1705, it was missing a water injection system and methanol (MW-50) which gave him 2100 hp allowed him points of the from 670 km / h to 6,200 m, a speed comparable to that of Spitfire IX (657 km / h) and Typhoon (645 km / h), in service in mid-1942. Versions of the Fw-190.A-3 also appeared at this time: the Fw-190.A-3 / U1 as a bomber fighter equiped the 10 (Jabo) / JG-2 and 10 (Jabo) / JG-25, as was the Fw-190.A-3 / U7, while the A-3 / U3 was used for ground attack and the A-3 / U4 for reconnaissance." In this link we have a part talking about the A8 only (because it is the most produced version of Fw 190A) : "Équipé d'un compresseur à action directe à deux étages, qui rétablissait à 1 500 et 5 000 m, le moteur BMW-801 D-2 de 14 cylindres en double étoile, refroidi par de l'air soufflé par une roue à aubes solidaire de l'hélice, développait 1 700 ch au décollage. Un ingénieux système permettait au pilote de régler à la fois, et au moyen d'une seule manette au lieu de trois, le régime, la pression d'admission et la richesse (mélange air-essence) du moteur. Il pouvait ainsi se consacrer exclusivement au combat et au pilotage sans risque d'erreur. Le système de surpuissance MW-50 (mélange à 50 % d'eau et de méthanol), qui augmentait la vitesse de 30 km/h pendant 10 mn, avait nécessité le remplacement du réservoir arrière de fuselage par un autre réservoir contenant 140 litres du mélange spécial. Autre système de surpuissance, le GM-1 (protoxyde d'azote) se composait d'un réservoir de 85 litres et permettait d'augmenter la vitesse de 60 km/h." ==> Translate (google) : "Equipped with a two-stage direct-acting compressor, which restored the 1,500 -5,000-m engine, the BMW-801 D-2 twin-cylinder engine, cooled by air blown by a solid impeller. of the propeller, developed 1,700 hp at takeoff. An ingenious system allowed the pilot to adjust the engine speed, intake pressure and fuel efficiency (air-fuel mixture) at the same time, using a single throttle instead of three. He could devote himself exclusively to combat and piloting without risk of error. The MW-50 (50% water and methanol mixture), which increased the speed by 30 km / h for 10 minutes, required the replacement of the rear fuselage tank with another tank containing 140 liters of water. special mixture. Another overpowering system, GM-1 (nitrous oxide) consisted of a tank of 85 liters and allowed to increase the speed of 60 km / h." ---------------------------------------------- SOURCE 3: Finally a last link about the topic. In english this time. http://www.airvectors.net/avfw190.html In the link above (in english) : "The Spitfire IX did help even the odds over the long run, but Focke-Wulf was still churning out better versions of the Butcher Bird. The "Fw 190A-4" went into production in late 1942, the primary improvement being the addition of an "MW 50" water-methanol power boost system for the BMW 801 engine. The MW 50 injected water into the engine's cylinders to raise the engine's redline limit for a short period of time. The methanol was mainly intended as anti-freeze. The A-4 also introduced a small but distinctive modification in the form of a short radio aerial wire mast mounted on top of the tailfin. This item would be retained in later production. The A-4 was the first Fw 190 subvariant to see real service on the Eastern Front." "The next subvariant, the "Fw 190A-8", turned out to be the most heavily produced of all Fw 190 subvariants, with over 1,300 built. It was essentially an A-7 with the option for either GM-1 nitrous-oxide engine boost for high-altitude operation, or an additional internal fuel tank, as well as many detail improvements." -------------------------- Just something else : Not MW 50 or GM-1 (if i clearly understand but another way to boost engine ) : http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a8.html "Increased emergency power: Starting from July 1944 all Fw 190 A-8 aircraft will be equipped with "increased emergency". By overridding the supercharger boost regulator, boost pressures are increased at take-off and emergency power in low supercharger setting from 1,42 ata to 1,58 ata and at the high supercharger setting from 1,42 to 1,65 ata. Thus an increase of speed up to 13.6 mph (22 km/h) is obtained with low supercharger operation and up to 15.5 mph (25 km/h) with high supercharger operation. The maximum operating time for increased emergency is limited to 10 minutes due to thermal reasons. (Ab Juli 1944 werden sämtliche Flugzeuge der Baureihe Fw 190 A-8 mit "erhöhter Notleistung" ausgerüstet. Durch Eingriff in den Ladedruckregler wird der Ladedruck der Start- und Notleistung im Bodenladerbetrieb von 1,42 ata auf 1,58 ata, im Höhenladerbetrieb von 1,42 ata auf 1,65 ata heraufgesetzt. Hierdurch wird ein Geschwindigkeitsgewinn bis 22 km/h bei Bodenladerbetrieb und bis zu 25 km/h im Höhenladerbetrieb erzielt.; (sich Flugleistungen Bl. 15). Die höchstzulässige Betriebsdauer für erhöhte Notleistung ist aus thermischen Gründen 10 Minuten begrenzt.)" ----------------------- I'm sure I can find more ! But I think it's enough :)

I just read in 3 differents sources in french : The Fw 190 A8 was construct with GM1 system as the standard emergency power with a 85 liters tank of nitrous oxide. But it was possible to modify the GM-1 system to have a MW 50 system with a 145 liters tank. So I think it need some investigation. But you can find too that MW 50 was used since Fw 190 A4 !

Yes it had them ^^ The most used was the MW 50. First Anton to get this was the A4. Some (less) get the GM 1. But A8 version is the one with the greatest number planes with GM-1 system. Easy to find documentation about. But I agree that not all the planes produced get MW 50 or GM 1. EDIT : Some get the Erhöhte Notleistung emergency power system if they didn't had the MW50 or GM1.

It was already report as a probable copy paste mistake from D9 controls code :p https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=242651

Hello, As you can find on internet, there were 2 war emergency power possible on Fw 190 A8. Some plane could be equiped with MW 50 (like D9 and K4) and other had the high altitude GM1 system. In the future, are we going to have the MW 50 or the GM1 (or both) as a choice in the mission editor ? Thanks ! :) EDIT : Post 9 for my sources !

We think (our squadron) it's the pitot heat indicator if you talk about this : If it's the red light on le left, I don't know :p

Just to be clear, I don't say speed is wrong. I think it behave well. But I think there is a problem with power loss and acceleration.

I agree it's a brick. Didn't have power and loose speed for every little move really quickly. Can't evade any plane (even I16) and it's really difficult to beat a P51D in dogfight at low altitude ...

Hello, Like in P51D and TF 51D, I can go trough the glass with my head (track IR).

As our server is only ww2, there are no missile but we have the CPU increase. Mission running or paused is the same.

I'm sorry but you shouldn't not be able to shoot. It's a safety. The idea is that without the triger down it's hard to shoot (possible yes but hard). It's made to not have missfire. All the other german warbird can't shoot when trigger is up. It would be stupid to choose that Fw 190 A didnt work as the other one ... Why making plane which are similar (because all german plane were similar to have a easy training) different !

Juste une question, le stick KG12 s'adapte à la base warthog ?