Gman109

Do I understand correctly that for Quest 3 users for DCS that you don't need the OpenXR toolkit? Am I good to go with just the Occulus Debug tool?

I have 9TB total of SSD space now in my new PC, I just have one dedicated drive for DCS as it's the most important game/program for me. 4 m.2 slots, 1 TB C drive, one 4TB, and 2 2TB. I still probably should have bought another 4 for DCS as eventually it'll expand past the 2TB size, but at that point I'll just buy another 4TB and swap DCS onto it. For the first time in...forever, I'm finding that I can install various games that I regularly play at will, without having to husband my space.

Hah, funny you said that, I almost grabbed a 4tb instead of the 2. I'm not complaining about the size of the program, I just wasn't sure if I had done something incorrect or hadn't cleaned up things properly. I just reinstalled DCS on my new system instead of migrating the old HD from my older system. Not sure if I "lost" install numbers, but honestly, even if I'm down to 8/10 left, I'll probably never run out in my lifetime.

Heh, so I came to the forums to ask if my 1.1 TB install was typical, as I'd just bought a dedicated 1tb drive for DCS to find out that it was too small, which meant buying a 2tb drive. Wow, asked and answered. I don't even own the trainer modules, and it's a brand new install on a new PC.

Love and agree with everything I'm reading here. Great post OP! Here's my 2 cents. Avoiding the 'situation" specifics at least.... ED would be wise to announce a new "F15EX" model at some point in the near future should the "situation" not move towards resolution. Ed is already doing an F15C model. They could cut previous F15E customers a "deal" on it sales wise. IMO this could/would satisfy a great many players who love all the A2G stuff with the Strike Eagle being discussed and mentioned here, while supplementing/replacing the F15E module. And so forth. I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this, or post something about it here, I just don't have the time or inclination to read through all the forums, or use the incredibly frustrating search function to check.

Good arguments here regarding the Nvidia vs AMD choice - I've had 4080S and 4090 in both 13900k/14900k systems as well as an "all AMD" build I put together with the 7800X3D/7900XTX, and for DCS especially in VR, Nvidia is the CLEAR choice, it's not even close really, regardless of the CPU. That said, the cost of the AMD card sometimes drops here in Canada during sales/whatever at the retailers up here. so I understand the $ can be a factor. I'd still always recommend going with Nvidia, VR or otherwise.

Best advice for the OP is to WAIT - as others have said. The 7800X3D absolutely trounces the newest/fastest new Intel CPU in gaming tests according to all the Youtube channels that have tested them head to head in the last couple weeks - so the new 9800X3D will be even faster/better, and waiting a short bit, just another couple months should do the trick, should make them both available and a bit cheaper. Same with GPUs, no sense picking up a 4080/Super right now with the new 50xx series coming out for RTX Nvidia very, very shortly.

I dislike this situation - and IMO it takes both sides to create something like this, but after reading a lot of the history of this team...past behavior is indicative of future behavior in the vast majority of cases. I respect ED, I used to deal with Carl Norman frequently back in the early Flankde days, right around when Wags come aboard. Such a marvelous thing they've created, RAZBAM has done some great things too, I mean yeah, the Harrier et al aren't finished, but anyone can admit that making a VSTOVL aircraft work in an sim they way our Harrier does is bonkers. I'm standing pat with my purchases from ED, and I'd rather support another team by purchasing their work, as opposed to trading the F15E for it and then them not getting full compensation. I also don't want to harm ED by asking them to fork out cash back to me, especially since it's only been 2 months, and I have hope that the F15E and others will continue to be updating, someway, somehow. So. Would Razbam and ED entertain an outside investor to become involved in this specific situation?

I said the same back on page 32 or so, which was just a day or two ago now, heh. I don't think anyone is being hot-headed here really either, if that were the case the mod team wouldn't have let this continue on.

Ah, GG me then. So you're saying that it'll pull full 6 G now, air or ground launched? I'm not at home atm to try it myself.

Those of us who focus on dueling and 1v1 guns type of flying, certainly don't consider the M2000 being limited to air launch and/or 6g limits to be a minor inconvenience. It's totally useless now. If refunds are being offered for the SE, they sure better be for the M2000 as well in this state if it isn't fixed next patch. I spent $200 USD on the Kiowa, Chinook, and a couple of the maps I hadn't grabbed yet, just a couple days ago. I don't want to stop spending $ with DCS, or to look for refunds. I just want things to not go backwards, which is exactly what is happening with the M2000. If a message needs to be sent about how unsatisfactory the situation is, $ is the way to do it (refund).

Wow, away for a few days and 15 new pages to read through. One thing I want to say - NineLine, THANK YOU for allowing this thread to stay open. You cost me $20 as I'd bet it'd be closed before it hit 20 pages, but it's worth it. I for one appreciate you letting this thread continue, as it's very important IMO. So thanks.

+++1 here too. Heatblur, you guys never fail to impress. The F14 was such a great module right from the day it was released in EA. F4 now as well. Looking forward to every module/contribution Heatblur makes to this DCS community. Well done guys.

It's been 2 weeks since Razbam's "announcement". Mods are still saying essentially to stop posting, asking questions, or discussing Razbam's "strike". How long exactly are customers supposed to wait before getting an update on what's happening? If both sides haven't been able to "work things out" in 2 weeks, that doesn't exactly bode well for a rapid happy outcome IMO. So, is it too much to ask to tell us where things are at so we can all get back to buying new EA products with confidence? This is directed at Razbam, not ED, as Razbam were the ones that went public with this dispute, and the least they can do is not go comms silent after doing so. It's not fair to their customers.

Great info, thanks so much all. Can you mess about then and get the FC3 F15C's MFDs to work? I'm assuming no go on the UFC and middle/center panels of the MiP... Can you get the various Su27 variants to work on the MFDs too then, even just "more or less"? Looking more favorable for buying the MiP TopGun. I have SO much Hotas, seriously, 40+ throttles and sticks going back to the CH days of the 90s, but I've never messed with a setup like the MiP, always just monitor(s) or VR, never any supplemental displays, MFDs, or control panels. Other than the Virpil boxes, I have 2 of those, but they are mounted on Monster mounts/plates beside my throttles. Be so nice to build a semi-custom "cockpit" on my large gaming table with the MiP, I just want to ensure it's value is there as I have all the modules, and plan on using lots of them in PVP online now that I'm healthy enough to begin simming again.

I've searched through all the WinWing manuals, Youtube videos, and forums for the answer to my question - what modules are currently compatible with the MiP TopGun with the active MFDs? What modules can you make "just sort of work", and etc. I just want to know if it's worth getting this setup for my 2d DCS play, in terms of it being used on not just the F18C and F16C modules. Thanks all!

Awesome, thanks to the both of you for your responses. I found a like new condition Quest Pro for only $600 CDN which is less than 1/2, more like 40% before tax here in Canada, and also have a Quest 3 bnib (full retail price, no deals around yet, and I'm eager to try both Meta vs my Reverb G2.). I'll wait for the next big "thing" like the Varjo Aero "was" to come out, and just use these lower cost of entry Meta products. Can't wait to try them now....

Can you use Virtual Desktop as your DCS "mode" or whatever for VR, while using either of these cable options to maintain power for long play sessions? That's my main concern with grabbing a Q3, playing time while in VD. If so, love to know the name of the 4 slot USB-C hub and the USB-C to USB-C cable too.

I think the price of the Somnium will be a lot more $$$ than the Quest 3. A LOT more. But I, like you, may wait just to see how bad the damage is before I give up my G2 for a Facebook headset (Facebook/"Meta"....VOMIT, but what can you do right).

Been out of the game for a while due to health/accident incidents which had me in the hospital for a long time, and then in and out of doctor/home care nursing/etc/blahblahblah. Just getting to the point where I can begin simming again. The Reverb G2 "second addition" or whatever was ruling the roost when I went down, and that's what I've got still. Sounds like going with the QP over the Quest 3 might be a better option. Question though - very, VERY confusing with all the terms and accronyms now on wtf I'm supposed to use with either Meta unit in terms of software/apps. Also the cables and all this "virtual desktop" and "wireless connection" which doesn't sound very wireless when guys are talking about having to get some super/better cable in order to keep the Quest 3 charged for long gaming sessions. Advice requested - should I grab a Quest 3 or Quest Pro, what cable should I get, what does it do, and how does it do it. Also some of the terms regarding all the jargon, if someone could spell that out in 7 or 8 lines what means what, and what does what --- I'd SUPER appreciate it. Many on the boards were mentioning what a great deal the Varjo Aero is now. It's still $1500 USD when you factor in the cost of 2 of the lighthouses @$240 each. For me in Canada, that's $2000 CAD +++ before even getting to the taxes, shipping (ouch), and duty (more ouch). $2090+ $230 tax +shipping + duty = $2400 landed easily for me. So ya, for $625 and $1400 respectively for the Quest 3 and Quest Pro up here in Canada, compared to the well over two thousand Canadian for an Aero....

Any of you with the Quest 3 in hand, noticed what the Youtube VR guy with the super annoying accent has, regarding dead pixels? He said that he's gone through 6 Quest 3's already that have had pixels die. He's very critical of Meta's QC here.

Thanks for the posts - 7800X3D it looks like then. Just went on sale here in Canada too at my shop.

Hah, like I said I've been out of action a while, and I never did pay nearly as much attention to AMD as Intel, and I'd forgotten that the 5800 was AM4 and not AM5 compatible, so thanks for the reminder, and that makes things a little bit simpler now. Comes down to now really the 7800X3D, 7900X3D or 7950X3D. $ isn't really an issue, however I also don't want to spend extra $ on the 7950 or 7900 if their performance only shades the 7800 by 5 %, if you get my drift. 10%, ya, that'll be a decision I'll have to think about for a short bit, any more than that and I'll just buy the 7900 or 7950 x 2 of them. But that's what I came here to ask, those of you who have been using AMD in DCS, what are "the numbers" between the 3 AM5 CPUs.

I'm looking for advice on the best AMD cpu to get right now. I've been out of the game a lot the last year with some health problems (shattered my right leg, high energy impact comminuted fracture of the right leg, 8 breaks total and broke the ankle in 2 spots), and it's been a real biatch dealing with it. Now that I have a bit better handle on things, I'm back into the DCS swing of things. Issue - I have always had 2 or 3 gaming systems in the home as there are multiple PC gamers around. I do have a 13900k, but also 2 10900k systems I was planning on upgrading to the new 14900 or 700kfs today. After seeing some of the early reviews, it looks like the 14XXX is a bust, so I figured in the interim I'd upgrade the 10900 systems to AMD. I have 4090s (just the regular Asus TUF cards, the cheapest other than Zotac, but good enough) in both already. Primary question - which of the X3D AMD chips should I buy? I'm pretty certain on the AMD5 MBs and RAM, but picking which of the 5800, 7800, 7900, and 7950 X3D chips is difficult based on the 50 videos and reviews I've read. It seems so game to game, some games the 5800X3D handily beats the 7950X3D. Lots of WTF moments this AM. So, which of these is best for DCS and DCS only, and by what kind of % in terms of FPS performance in VR? I have a Reverb G2 that's sat for a year, and will probably get either an Aero, or maybe even try out the new Occulus/Meta Quest3 and QuestPro as well. I also play 2D, I have an LG 27" 4k and a new Alienware 34" OLED. I'm sold on the AMD idea mainly due to the AMD5 platform still having a ton of life in it, so plunking in new CPUs that come out over the next couple years will be simpler than a complete tear out of the system and components on 2 of our systems. I'd also like to know the DCS performance though and what I'm getting into with that, without reading through all the threads here. Thanks in advance.

The closest thing I've come to possibly having the info was the cruise book from that 1988 Med cruise, it had some pics of the escorts but didn't list any of them or other support vessels. I'll keep looking.