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I prefer it like that as well, I remember seeing a video somewhere of an aggressor squadron messing around at their airbase doing a routine, will try and find the video. That's what i was thinking when i saw the A-10 style screen and don't worry it's cool I know how it feels when people don't shut up :P sorry :/. Will edit this post when i find the video. Found it, not a great cockpit view though :/, [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNIwSmMUtk8[/ame]

Found the picture of the change radar display but that's it, anyway as said i'm now going to not post on this thread unless i find documentation which is unlikely. this image might not be an E or had other upgrades though, note the moved countermeasure controls.

Like i said i could very well be wrong and will accept that however i'm still confused as to why BST said they would be willing to model the AGM 65 if someone had first hand documentation of it if the one they have modelled is the aggressor versions. I love the F5 as is and am not too bothered with what they do with it in terms of modifications, i just like discussing the possibilities of 'optional' extras as the agm and probe were. Anyway now i really am beating a dead horse, maybe a Question and Answer needs to be done to clarify things. With that I will leave this thread unless I find relevant documentation on anything.

and if you had looked at my previous posts you would of seen that i acknowledged the fact that the only country that officially had an E/F designation was the swiss airforce who had a single E with F wings. As for the AGMs and Refuel probes i would like to see documentation on that as well and how you know about that they were available from the start. At least someone acknowledges the Es could have both. As for the 120s it was something i found a couple of years ago now and I will have to do some digging, it may not be the Saudi Air Force that had them so I could be wrong about that. I'm just curious to see what images and documents are floating around but that will also take a lot of digging.

You are mistaken, The Saudi Air Force modified theirs to use Aim 120s although it is still designated as an E/F although I'm not sure if they were E-3s that they bought there was also a country that modified theirs to carry the AA-10 Alamo although i'm not sure if they renamed it. It's still hit and miss though. From what I gather, INS and Recon were available from the start with the Refuelling probes and AGM-65 being added later however that is only based on the US manual and not much else which is still not a great source considering the fact that the US would not have such a need for a AGM capable light fighter with a refuel probe. If we are to find information on the AGM and Refuel probes I would say we are going to have to look at other countries documents who purchased the jets with those options. http://www.the-northrop-f-5-enthusiast-page.info/AirForces/SaudiArabiaAF.html Look down to the "Peace Hawk II" it's still classed as an F5E, think of WW2 when The US sent tanks to the UK, we renamed them for use in service.

I can fly the F5 relatively well and in formation however the harder manoeuvres are edgy as i have a T flight X however I have 2 curves set up, one for formation and one for dogfighting/ aerobatics :)

CrazyPandaPilot, I wouldn't mind making one with you.

Thinking about it i do wonder what it would be like the have the recon package, if implemented right i'm sure there could be a use but then again it's a combat sim not a recon sim ;) Although it would be cool if ed somehow implemented the way to link the images taken to a kneeboard or mission brief but that would be a ridiculous amount of work and would only be used by us crazy people who like to go tease fighters while we have little or no cannons. as for other upgrades i dunno, if done right it would mean the mission designers have to place different aircraft specific to the mission needs and even then there are so many configurations that would arise due to to 30 countries purchasing the fighter in different configurations I understand why you wouldn't want to pursue such a task. I would ask if you need help with it but I have no coding more modelling experience and so have a huge respect for the companies that make such awesome aircraft for us to enjoy.

I've skimmed through it and it would make sense that the probe would not be included however if you look at page 231 there are no AGMs listed however that being said as you've said if we found the export manuals for say the Saudi one we probably would find the complete package, agms, ins, recon, aim 120 etc. In the US manual it shows that it typically was outfitted with a recon or ins package but that is it however this could simply be because at the time of the manual being written they did not think to put agms or aim 120s on let alone a refuel probe for the US version. So therefore assuming that BST used the US manuals they've opted to go for a bare bones airframe which is fair enough and still great and flys like a dream however it does make me wonder if they have been considering adding other packages as a side project while they work on more bigger things like new aircraft entirely.

I don't think anyone is saying the module is bad or that BST did a bad job, I love the module. As for realism and standard aircraft i think you forget with the F5 there is not really a standard, an example being if you look at the US manual it even includes INS and reconnaissance package which is not in game, no one is crying and the F-5 does not have to be a limited aircraft and adding certain things does not make it in any way better than it's competitor the MIG-21 other than the addition of more missiles specifically aim 120s. No one at least me is crying we're just saying it would be nice to have certain things. If you look at page 231 of the US F-5E manual you'll see no AGM-65s but in the same manual of the same aircraft you'll see as stated before the INS and Recon package. the reason the probe is not mentioned the the US manual is because the US did not see the need to have such a thing as it was to be used as an aggressor but if we were to look at export manuals of say the Saudi airforce it would be likely that it would be in the manual as would the AGMs and possibly aim 120s. Regardless of what could be added it would still require hard work and effort weather it be agms, aim 120s, ins or recon packages the difference is simply to do with the country that used them and also the fact its either internal or external to the model.

Well obviously, I know there are cockpit images of various F5s with probes on around to at least verify where the switch is itself but one would imagine that also varies from nation to nation, also seeing as it was an official optional addon I do wonder if there is a segment in the official F5E Manual somewhere about that sort of thing, after all that specifically would seem like it would not be top secret. I get what you mean though although when or if the Skyraider comes i just know that people (myself included) will probably be asking for that toilet lmao. but that's getting a bit off topic. %5Bimg%5Dhttp%3A//www.midwaysailor.com/midwayva25bomb/va25specbomb-010b.jpg Also just found this. Not sure if its a real copy. http://www.flight-manuals.com/1f-5e-1.html

I was not demanding, I was suggesting and saying it might be a fun thing to play around with. I personally like the F5E as it is now it's just the fact i love to do certain things in dcs.

I don't mind flying either aircraft :) i can't film for fath though

I feel like people are asking for upgrades because the Aims are junk at the moment because of the FOV which they have noted however it's also probably because people were expecting different versions/modifications of the F5.

Theoretically the navy ones could still use it although it may be shady to do so. after all the gear is made for heavier landings and the hooks are still sturdy as to withstand the tremendous force from stopping within meters.

The same applies to any other additional thing they add, as i've said there seems to be a lot more information supporting things like probes then additional rails for missiles as well as AGM 65s so after they Iron out a lot of the bugs with the current model then they could pursue it. Would be easier (although still a lot of work) to add a refueling probe to the E rather than making the F. As for this thread it was only his opinion then we all injected out thoughts and therefore non of these suggestions are necerserally needed but would be nice to have as is why I also said I personally would like to see a two seater variant of some kind.

If many people who have not yet purchased something (which is most likely the case as it's alpha) want something then adding it may financially be a good idea.

Yes but it's still a discussion, the point of which is to see what peoples views are, that being said it can also be used as a way to convey information on systems and to see who want's it. If enough people want it then it would be safe to assume it may be a good idea to add it or in some cases not add things.

That's not really adding much into the discussion other then saying that if you dont like something do it yourself which is something not a lot of people can do due to knowledge or have the time to do.

I know what the F is and I know that adding another variant is a hug undertaking especially when a whole new cockpit would have to be modelled and coded, it was a simply a suggestion for whenever they wish to persue such things, I just think that the ability to have two seats while aerial refueling etc would be a great thing but not necerserally needed. Also if you would read previous comments a lot of people wish to have a refuelling probe which is literally the most realistic of the suggestions to add from the stand point of information out there and also actual evidence of it even existing and being a thing on the E.

We need solid proof though and given the fact that thses F5s were sold through a classified ad, i would highly doubt we'll get to see cockpit images. There for it would be impossible to add the AGM unless they did it MIG 21 style and locked the ground up with radar and the missile would guide from that but i would think that's unrealistic. As for the refueling probe i would imagine that CF-5s would be closest to getting images but they modified them with tip tanks that also would further change the cockpit.

Upon further reading into this specific aircraft it is listed on this website as an F5-E/F, now considering that F is a two seater and the only actual E/F that is listed is a single Swiss airforce F5e with f wings. So assuming they're also selling Fs that would explain why there are AGM 65s nearby however that does not explain why there is an E listed with a Probe. http://s9.invisionfree.com/21c/ar/t5671.htm However this would mean yet another country purchased an F5E with a probe as it was optional furthering reasons to add a probe.

If you can find cockpit images or even documents proving the AGM 65 capabilities then you should forward them to BST. Also that F5 has a refuelling probe so one would assume that it is indeed modified and not a Tiger 2. Upon further reading into this specific aircraft it is listed on this website as an F5-E/F, now considering that F is a two seater and the only actual E/F that is listed is a single Swiss airforce F5e with f wings. http://s9.invisionfree.com/21c/ar/t5671.htm

I feel like they should add an F5 with a refueling probe or 2 seats in some way, I feel like multi crew would be phenomenal on this air frame, Yes its a lot of work but you could have to single seat fighters tangling with migs and 2 seaters loitering and doing longer range cas etc, just a though. :) Obviously this would be a huge undertaking but at least it could be the first two seat aircraft with air to air refuelling capabilities.

Honestly I'm mainly wanting ED to add arrester wire systems so that we can simulate emergency landings better instead of hitting the ground and doing a barrel role into a nearby field if your a bad pilot. The only F5s that i've seen with them are 2 seaters. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f5/f5_05.jpg