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The bold parts man, I already said I agree on that part. And the horse isn't dead yet, it's something broken that can be fixed but for some reason the guys who can fixed it completely refuse..

Agreed, but it's irrelevant here since the A-10 in DCS is always a brand new one, so they all behave like a new airframe. You don't know that, give me one source where it says that I have another one where the pilot does the same, it's in Iraq, he's coming from high altitude for a virtually vertical strafe (like 80 degrees), I posted that in this very thread before and I based the same argument on it then. Will you say it's an atypical airframe too? PS: glad to know all the fresh popcorn won't be wasted xd.

Well not me, it's still irrelevant when I have shown the pilot in real life pulling the stick well past the stall warn. I might buy me one of those popcorn makers, just need some corn :lol:

Also remember that the pilot got to that speed through a dive too not purely through straight & level flight.

I got more in straight dives, can't talk about level flight though, haven't tried.

Nice video. Good to know the A-10 can handle 7.5 G's at 3:50 in, that's a very light weight A-10 in those demos though.

No, the audio of the Aim 9 seeker, radio chatting and the trigger being pressed with the square block in the top left all indicate synced audio, plus in the time mark I linked he had been in the chopping tone for like hours, so it won't matter if the audio is early or delayed...

I thought that I got my thoughts through by now :s. There have been more than one video posted here where I have pointed out the exact issue, it's really simple it's just the wing drop (I thought it was a famous thing, apparently not lol). But sure man, DCS is fully updated now, when I have free time from real life things I will be getting out my hotas and reconnect and put up a track.

Nah, that's something else. @Yo-Yo, nevermind, I'm sorry I wasted your time. I thought this was a bug reporting section and I spend a lot of time here trying to even prove what I reported was an actual fault/bug/whatever..

Yes I do, but rarely use it, and I only realised the one in your video a while after my post. But come on Yo-Yo, why can't we do like that pilot in the A-10 vs F-16 video, you know, the bit where he pulls 4-5 degrees more AoA into the choppy stall tone?

Plus, in the video he was 276 kts tops.

I did a crude measuring, it seems that pilot pulled more than 5 degrees into the chopped tone, that would make him have in excess of 30 AoA units if I calculated correctly, but yeah, correct me if I'm wrong.

Is that AoA in degrees? Sorry if I missed something but I can't see the AoA indicator in the video. But you were barely into the chopped tone, you had just gone from chopped-->steady-->chopped-->wing drop less than a second later, but I won't argue about that too much. Can you tell me what you think about what I had to say here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3217697&postcount=169 ? The pilot has chopped warning, but he increases his AoA even more and no wing drop?

We had a talk about it earlier in this thread, someone brought it up and me & him both tested it and found it to be true. While there is no track of this, I can confirm it from my experience and the other guy's (can't remember who), but you (or anyone) can try this yourself and post a track/vid if you want. Edit: had some luck and found it on the first page I clicked: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2917979&postcount=56

I spotted one at about 1:03, seems uncommanded I believe. Anyways, if it's too hard or complex to remove or fix this behaviour in A-10C, I wonder how complex or not is it to have the A-10C behave like the A-10A which seems to have a delayed wing drop behaviour than the C?

I have updated DCS, I can view tracks now no problem, videos are good too to watch on the run. So you see now what I'm talking about? I'm sure you have felt the uncommanded rolls throughout, it's there many times when you hit the choppy (not steady) tone. Of course it would be useful to have the controls indicator showing in future videos and tracks.

For those who are talking about the pilot is feeling his plane and controlling the plane just about right so he won't stall, in one of the videos I shared here (HUD) it shows clearly the pilot 'riding the choppy tone' and even pulling more into the tone, if you get what I mean, he gets absolutely no wing drop; you know he's pulling more by seeing the distance between the Gun Cross and the FPM/VVI increase, try the same in DCS (same bank, altitude, attitude, speed, with cleanest jet and best weather) my bet is you will drop a wing, 100% of the time. As mvsgas says, this is very dejavu'ee, as I'm pretty sure I mentioned this (and many others) before. Here ya go: Be the judge, keep your eye on the FPM, it's very clear here..

No my friend, I meant the second 11900 feet (you reached it twice, just noticed) sorry should have pointed out the time mark, it's at about 0:27, you have an aggressive right turn (almost 90°) and looking at the control indicator on the lower left I see that you never commanded it, it's right before the video ends. Edit: for those who cba to go back

No worries, I plan to post a track of how I fly in a few weeks (if I have free time in the next few days maybe I will try to dust off my DCS gear, it's only today that I had some time off to chat in here). In the meantime, you can have a look at the track I posted like a year ago in post #5 in this thread which was of me trying to reproduce airshow moves with sudden jerks and stuff. Keep in mind, in case you want to watch it in the same version it was taken, it's a year old version of DCS world, I have no clue what version it is sadly, but I posted it the same day I took it, might be a clue..

Hey, if it's proven that the wing drop in the A-10 is realistic I will shut up lol, but so far everything I have read and seen point to the opposite, realism is my goal here not my personal whims or desires ;).

I can only come back with tracks and in-game data to you later this month, but for now I will only tell you of my past experience.. More than once I had wing drop just as I entered the chopped tone, and if the stall tone electronics have lag or something like Sithspawn mentioned (is that an intended thing?) well I did test while watching the AoA gauge, I still spiralled out just as I reached 25 units and sometimes less, when I first noticed this issue I stopped being careless about how much I was 'pulling into the chopped tone' and starting paying more attention and in my dedicated tests before and after starting the thread I was quite meticulous about it. Are you guys absolutely sure that this behaviour is true to life? It is not an error but an actual feature you willingly implemented?

What spring? What I interpret this as is that it is the normal stall behaviour where you have reach max AoA and can't pull any longer, I think it would be silly if the A-10 engineers would make the chopped stall tone that critically close to such an aggressive and interfering stall behaviour, uncommanded roll is a pretty serious thing to have and it would be common sense for the A-10 engineers or programmers to have the chopped tone much earlier that such behaviour if it existed in real life.

Well, that applies to all the other planes in DCS, and the ones I have tried didn't have wing drop the ones that had it it wasn't nearly as early and aggressive), such as the F-15 that you just mentioned, the Mirage-2000C and the SU25 frogfoot, so why is the A-10 singled out with this issue? Yo-Yo's video had wing drop too, at about the 11900 feet, pretty aggressive too.

Perhaps that's the case in the F-15, I tried it and I really LOVE it. But back to the A-10, I have provided real life A-10 video proof, real life manual (dash 1) proof as well as an airforce simulator video, all supporting my argument. I have no doubt whatsoever that the A-10C in DCS flight model is spot on, but only almost so. There are still a few issues here and there including the one that is the subject of this thread.

So what you're saying is that it's working as intended? Is it specifically mentioned anywhere in flight specifications that the wingdropping is something that happens at high AoA's in the A-10? Also about the difference between sim & reality, I have, in this thread, linked to a video of an airforce simulator where cadets (who aren't pilots) try it out for the first time and make some hard pulls into the chopped up tone, just like a new guy would in DCS, all without the fearsome wing drop, I don't think that military level flight simulators would have inaccurate flight models. Matter of fact here is the video: & at the 20 & 52 seconds marks