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So yeah one BK90 spawns 2112 penetrators flying around. Now it makes sense why they didnt go for some 250 bomblets. :D Inb4 4 bk90s at the same target, 8448 projectiles to track for DCS. This is fine. ;D

Now for penetration, I took a look at the 2a42 APBC-T ammunition. Projectile weight for that one is 0,4kg @ 970m/s muzzle velocity. So 1/2*0,4*970^2 = roughly 180 thousand joule of muzzle energy. Our EFP will probably be around 90 gramms, speed is speculation but all the EFPs I found data on pretty much move at 2000m/s, probably defined by the explosion speed of the explosive used. 1/2*0,08*2000^2 = 180 thousand joule of initial energy. Since its not hardend in the same way a projectile is, is less aerodynamic, it will loose its energy faster and will not be able to transform it into penetration performance as efficient, but I guess we are pretty safe to say that within 100m you should be well capable to punch some light armor, aka anything which isnt a MBT. The 2a42 APBC-T shell punches 20mm thick plate at 60 degree impact, 700 m range. So even if we do some naiv approximations and give our EFP 30% of the performance of the propper APBC projectile, it should punch that at 200m still. So I would guess 40-50mm pen straight within 100m.

I dunno, its pretty non standard form of EFP. Didnt see something like that so far. Speed plus projectile weight is probably a better basis for penetration estimation. But anything like BTRs BMPs artilery, SAMs shilkas etc. should be penetrated. Small graphic I made, 4 BTRs and 3 SA8s randomly oriented. Each line represents 5 or 6 EFPs. Question is, is 250-400m the effective coverage of the submunitions dropped, I guess so. ATM my model would space them equally and eject them about 40m to each side. Each vehicle was at least hit once.

Okay new clacs based on the [very good find, very helpfull] pictures. We can see that the indentations are higher then wide and the rows are stacked into each other. We can see 8 rows from the side so that would be something like 16-18 rows. Estimating the preformed munition length at 35cm and stacked, so 17,5cm preformed length, which leads to one indentation beeing roughly 2,9cm in height, so in width its probably something like 2 - 2,5cm from guestimates. Perimeter beeing 40cm in length yields 8-10 rows, plus 8-10 stacked rows with 5 indentations each. Since we can see 8, I would go with 8 or 9 rows totalling at 16 or 18 rows as expected. From the visuals I would expect 16. So 88 EFPs. Weight of each EFP should be around 90gram. [Entire submunition weighs 17kg -1 for parachute electronics etc -6 for explosives, leaves 10kg, lets expect 80% efficiently used for penetrator building divided by 88.]

We know its calibre, its 132mm, if we had the length we could calculate the number of EFPs reasonably accurate, since the indentations in the mantel are pretty surely the forming parts. The perimeter length should be something like 40cm. The submunition length both by wild guestimates of the explosives density and mantel density and rough guessing relative to the calibre should be something like 40cm. So I guess its 6 rows of 6 EFPs, which also matches up with the cutthroguh pretty well. For the effective range I am going to throw guestimates at you all again. The MUSA/MUSPA submunition has an effective range of 100m in terms of anti personel fragments. Since EFPs are nothing else then just shaped fragments which gives them better aerodynamics then your average anti personel shrapnel. So I dunno, I would say 100m as well. obviously beeing a kinetic weapon it looses penetration over distance. EDIT: got sniped with the pics, will readjusts the calcs. standbye :D Edit2: My length estimation was spot on, be proud of me ! :D Will throw togeter a graphic quickly to estimate what hit probability looks like.

hmm yee probably. x) IP why you do dis. :D Clearly needs more DECNET.

Really cool development ! :))

Interesting, do you have a explanation where the PL happens with my traces ? Since its only the last Cogent node which seems to induce PL I am a little confused. Its now obvious that its something between DTAG and Cogent, but I do not really see where. I would expect all Cogent nodes to have pl if the link between them was at high utilisation.

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One of my eyes is laughing for accuracy, the other one is crying for less effective cluster munitions. :cry::lol:.

Yeah, its weird. The swedish wiki [https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWS_39#Konstruktion_och_funktion] describes it like something that works like the skeets on the cbu97 and honestly I would expect that from a 18kg bomblet. The heaviest submunition, apart from the dual shaped charge anti runway bomb, the MW1 on the Tornado, which uses the same 132mm calibre, is something like 4,5kg and is a anti tank mine [MIFF, MUSA and MUSPA are similar.]. Not to even talk about the KB44 which is a unguided anti vehicle/tank submunition which has a smaller size by far. So, ye, I dunno, if one of the DEVs could enlight us here. I mean I do not trust the wiki, but judging by the size and weight and time period it should be guided, anything else woule seem quite weird to me. o.0 okay I did translate myself through the regarding sections and you seem to be correct, no targeting process on part of the submunitions :}. I guess EFP and big size together with the wron wiki article made it look too feasable. :D Especially looking at the different approach of rather having 24 very heavy bomblets then loads of small bomblets is something which is surprising to me.

In an attempt to ground the filthy capitalists f16 fleet in the Tblisi area, the fearless honeybadgers launch a strike to take down the corresponding runways. Inculding: Unfortunate spread of s13 rockets, landing on both sides of Tblisi runway [=RvE=Smokey]. Ruining dem capitalists by running them out of money for SAMs [=RvE=Seal]. Delivering the only proper anti runway bombs in the entire strike [=RvE=Snowman]. Filthy SA3 guidance Radar seeing things which it shouldn't. [the godmode AI, what else.] Experimental physics including above lightspeed travel [=RvE= MicroVAX]. And Tacview spreading propaganda, that my Mk82 didn't hit while in fact they did. Accelerated at x2.

Can some mod please just nuke spacehamster for obvious trolling. We did prove him wrong in the past and I am simply getting tired of this ! ;D

Just will leave that here, next round should be different, I guess.

For prepurchase that would make sense imho, since most announcements happen on fridays and the 28.11 is a monday. For release it might be too short of a time period. But who knows. :pilotfly:

Hmm, I did go through the possible luminati confirmed parts frame by frame. Only thing I noticed is this one: Probably a hint at old vector gamez. :D Also what I noticed. The background footage has a date maker for 28.11.1967, but the Indications before and after that are 28:11:00. Since : is normaly no date, but a time separator, I am kinda unsure what to parse it as. :D

They just published a Bröllopsfilm from 1967 for transparency reasons, no relation to Viggen ! ))))) I see what you did there. :music_whistling::lol: optimistic edit: 28.october is a Friday.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...postcount=2855 Now lets speculate what is a few, I do not expect that more then 6 weeks qualify for few. :D Actually 28.oct is a friday, but that feels to good to be true. o.o

But: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2901554&postcount=2855 Now the question is, what is "few" for an swede. :D For a german I would say few => wenige is less then 4 for weeks.

according to wiki lies 8.feb.1967

Also first thought so but 28.11 is not a friday, its a monday, so no patch day, so I am confused what it means ! :D 2025 would be the next 28.11 which is an Friday ! :D

Question is, is 28.11 actually hinting at something or not. Its not a Friday so its not a patch day.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG Hypetrhusters set to manual MAXIMUM HYPE OVERRIDE ! :DDD

Hypethrusters set to manual MAXIMUM OVERHYPE !!!!:lol:

Yup typical DTAG. Gonna launch dem complaint/ticket ICBMs at their support outlets ! ;D