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Technical Orders are a USAF term used in the ordering process. I'm sure other branches have their version, usually they all have different names.

Negative Ghost-Rider. Please cite the specific instance and I will thoroughly dismantle your claim. Zoom is a simulation of a binocular. It does not make landing easier. I can land perfectly fine without the use of zoom. No. It is a core gameplay feature to simulate systems failures and you as the pilot have to overcome them. System failures cannot make landing easier.... Dude, really, I am trying my best to be understanding and be sympathetic to your position but you are making it more difficult with each post like this. Ignoring ATC is not an "option" in the game that changes gameplay mechanics. You still have to land the aircraft. Now if there was a option for the aircraft to land for you then that is a different story all together. You are conflating two completely different situations. Say what? You are so out in "left field" that I am not sure you are being serious. You seriously have to be trolling now... Holly crap I thought you were being serious this whole time. No it does not. No it does not. Nothing you have cited so far amount to the plane landing itself without user input..... No, at this point you are reaching into the abyss of the unknown to try and validate your position. No. As I said, verbal or visual queues that help you get in position would be a good thing for new pilots. Easy Refuel where the system takes control will not teach you how to perform AAR and is no where in-line with your scenarios above that are an absolutely conflation. No, that is not a straw man argument. A straw man argument is if you were making an argument for easy refuel and I stated you were for making a call for all of DCS to be setup in game mode. I cannot fathom how you could try and argue "straw man" when you clearly don't even know what it is. You are either a troll or you are being completely intellectually dishonest in your assertions and I venture to guess the later. It unequivocally does. If it is not implemented then you have to put in the time to master the "art" of AAR. You are trying to claim that an easy refuel mode would teach you how to AAR which it will not. You will not develop the fine motor skills to maintain proper position with the tanker. I do know that easy refuel will not teach you how to perform AAR. You will be no better at AAR after using an easy refuel option for months as you were prior. Your meaning was quite clear; don't try to backtrack now. Man-up and take responsibility. The fact that I haven't claimed innocence, not once, further proves that your post are hyperbolic trash. Easy refuel can be any form of assistance; either way YOU will not learn the proper and correct fine motor control if you rely on the system to perform AAR for you. Whether it plays a small part or large part, it is doing it for you since you are not in full control. I have dismantled your position from top to bottom and you can only claim false ad hominem or straw man arguments that turn out to be completely basis. Actually, because I do care I am telling people to do it the right way instead of gaming the system with an easy refuel option and never developing the fine motor control to be able to perform AAR on their own merit. If one did not care about others they would want an easy option as they cannot be bothered. I on the other hand have spent countless hours with members of the squadron I fly with teaching them exactly how to perform AAR properly. Buahhahhahahahahah! So citing how someone can learn to perform AAR with an xBox control and calling your excuses invalid spurred the responses... LOL that is laughable. The only way you can take offense to that and Spurr a response is if it "hit home" and you know you don't have a leg to stand on. No, a study sim is such that you take the time to learn to do things correctly, not make this easier for your impatience and lack of dedication.

Block 50 and 52 aircraft used to be covered by the CJ series of tech orders. After the CCIP mod, the USAF Block 40, 42, 50, and 52 aircraft are now covered by the CM series of technical orders.

Actually the Viper was originally designed as a low-cost fighter interceptor that only had heaters. There's a story floating out there about how the original designer was upset when the Viper started going through modifications which ultimately led it to be such a great multirole aircraft.

I'd rather they be more transparent than less - my personal opinion. We also don't know what discussions they have behind the scenes and up to very recently the original list could have been "accurate" based on previous discussions. I actually like how ED listens to the user base here when we provide valid information and they can adjust things to make them more authentic. If they kept everything close in we wouldn't have the chance to speak up until it could very well be too late.

I can understand that; no qualms there. My only position is until you have actually given ED money you cannot criticize the changes. There are other posters that don't want to buy the Viper if 'x' feature isn't available. I can respect that position. If the recent changes make you weary, I can respect that as well. Simply hold off on your purchase until "rock-solid" information has been provided so that you feel comfortable buying the module. For me, it's all good. I would much rather have had a v9 radar; it is what it is that we are getting the v5. There will probably other changes down the road; if information turns out to be scarce. The Viper will still be a great module even if by chance it turns out that it has a few less "fangs."

They are a Russian company. Those are things we have to take in stride.

I love you too! You validated my point.

AND... You don't know what an ad hominem attack is either. I absolutely addressed that point very clearly. I even reiterated the point. Zoom, is a simulation of using binocs in the cockpit. That technique was used by A-10 pilots in Desert Storm. Try again. Systems fault Simulation is not a good example at all. The whole point is to simulate failures. You as the pilot will have to identify the fault and the appropriate response. A better example would be an easy button in the cockpit that would take all proactive measure in the event of a system failure. This is also a core gameplay feature. Ignoring the ATC, well you can do that in real life too. Albeit the outcome will be much less pleasant. How does bombing the runway correlate to easy refueling? That doesn't even make sense and it looks like you are really stretching to justify your position. Invulnerability should not be in DCS, except in game mode. If it did not exist and people were calling for it to be added I would speak out against its inclusion. In fact if you really want, you can do research from years ago where people were experiencing landing issues because they were using invulnerability due to a bug and even I advised that they don't use it and just put in the time to learn how to land the bird. Zone-triggered events are a core gameplay mechanic in the Mission Editor. Again, you are reaching here to justify your position and you are only making your position look weaker by using something like that as justification. Sure I can. If I cannot then you cannot speculate on its usefulness as a training aid. You know, in fact, I can go one step further. In the original LOMAC there was only the option of easy refuel, you could not manually fly and connect to a tanker. Funny how that did ZERO to prepare one for AAR in DCS... It's simple. If you want to learn how to do something you put in the time to lean how to do it. Easy refuel will not teach you how to refuel your aircraft in the air. You are still at the point that you become dependent on the system to do "x" for you. You still will not know how to do it without that assistance. We'll have to disagree. Seriously, do you even read what you type? You absolutely had no other meaning. No. A strawman argument is if I refuted a position you never presented. You presented a position in favor or easy refueling and I have been in opposition to that position. Calling your posts garbage is a declarative statement as to the nature of your posts. That is not the only part that matters. You cannot take part of a statement out of context and claim that the rest of the statement are irrelevant. It doesn't work that way. You have to take the entirety of the thought, meaning each sentence that makes up a statement. As I have stated above, you were completely disrespectful with your entire elitism comment, notice how I look at the entirety of the statement instead of just a single word. You were the first to declare that ones statements are invalid. You cannot do such and then cry foul when it is done unto you.

Not just that, you would have team members that would be sitting around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do since the work needing to get done is outside of their expertise.

You haven't given ED any money yet for the F-16C Block 50 module.... As long as the product page at the time of sale is accurate, you have nothing to complain about.

My first post in this thread was neutral, just an opinion piece. The whole point of the xBox controller example was that anyone, with time and patience, can learn how to do it. It's not elitism as another poster indicated just that person put in the time to do it. When the name-calling, disrespect and attacks started rolling I gave it right back. I am not going to remain neutral at that point in time. As I have stated in other posts, you (not you exorcet), get the level of respect you deserve. For instance, your post wasn't inflammatory, degrading, insulting or any other negative term. I have no reason to talk in anything other than a respectful manner to you.

Okay, let me rephrase it for the lack of understanding on your part. As a USAF Veteran I know how it actually works - thanks though. There is only the single option on re-arming in DCS. If there was a more authentic experience I would chose that. I don't know how much simpler I can make.... There are no options in-game to make landings easier. Whether one follows proper procedures has NOTHING to do with changing core game mechanics to make something easier. Try, yet again... That's not how easy refuel works. Either the virtual pilot puts in the effort to fly in close proximity to the tanker in proper position to connect to the basket or boom and maintain it in order to take on fuel or the game does it for you. There's no in between here. Changing complexity is going from basic two-ship formation flying straight and level to four-ship executing turns while maintaining proper position and spacing. I already did. Try reading to understand what another types instead of reading to respond. That is not the equivalent of a straw man argument. The very nature of an easy refuel option is for the game to perform the task for you. You don't know what elitism is and you don't know what a straw man argument is.... As I said you are being disingenuous and your post is clearly garbage. This is what I typed.... As I said before, please try to keep up this time, you get the level of respect that you deserve. You started off with your elitist BS and now you are crying that I didn't roll over and take it. Instead I dished it right out back to you.

That's because forum members were able to verify and post valid proof that the JSOW was available on a Block 50 Viper prior to the 2007 cutoff that ED is modeling. Would you rather ED disregard that info and just do whatever?

Really? There is no "buy now" button. If there is, please show me as I will most certainly click it for this highly-anticipated module. See how you digress to calling me a fan boi as an insult? Am I a fan of DCS, yes, without a doubt. If you aren't why are you even here. There's a difference to "blind enthusiasm" and simply a fan of a product. One can support ED / DCS without being blind to errors or having disagreements with decisions. That is a fact of life. I don't run ED so I do not get to tell them what to do based on what I want. As a consumer you can chose to spend your money or hold it and wait until things are "perfect" for you. Some of us fully realize the work that goes into software development and cut ED some slack. As I have said, dates change and features change. You have not parted ways with your money so you have no room to complain. Once you have actually bought something and it changes then you have room to complain.

Then you should read the whole message, or do you agree with the assertion that people are too lazy to learn how to AAR and simply want a cheat? Cool then we agree... (see what I did there) Yes, let's review my posts..... No offense here. Hmmmm..... Strange I simply posted an opinion. Or maybe you mean: in which I responded: You see I don't start off attacking people or being disrespectful. You get what you deserve and your post proves the garbage you are pushing.

No. all rearms are the core features of the game, there are no other options. Your point is yet again invalid. If ED came out with a more authentic experience with rearming on the ground I would chose to use it. No there are not. Wrong on both accounts. Your argument from ignorance does not make my point invalid. Incorrect, yet again. Your entire argument is the basis that people use cheats in FPS games, they call them "trainers." They do not train you to do anything. An easy refuel option will not train you to be able to perform AAR - period. You still don't know how to use elitism. Funny, because that is what you did and now you cry fowl when I push back against your nonsense instead of rolling over.... There is a stark difference between easy refuel and a "tool." Easy refuel is not a tool to teach you how to perform AAR. You want to come up with an idea that gives you visual queues or even verbal queues to help you out - great that is a tool. Having the computer perform the function for you is not a tool.

No you didn't. We all have real-world issues that we deal with, you're not special. See how you have to resort to defamation and name-calling to try and validate your position.... Keep trying. If you only have 1-2 hours of flying, you don't need to practice AAR at all. Yeah, I went there as you cannot have a respectable conversation with other forum posters. "Positive experience." That's a good one. I find joy in mastering difficult tasks. Being able to finally get connected and stay connected in a new module is a "positive experience." What you do and what you enjoy is entirely on you. Some people want an easy refuel option, cool have at it. Don't try to justify the option as anything other than a lack of commitment to learn how to do it properly. I don't care what your justification is, the facts remain. Quit taking offense to somebody who has a different opinion as you.

Feel Better? Dates change, it happens. Sometimes there are typos, they happen. Feature list changes based on what ED believes they can deliver. Would you have rather them left it alone only to change it months into EA? At least they are making changes ahead of the pre-order. You haven't parted ways with your money, so you have nothing to complain about.

Auto-start should not exist. There are no easy landings or easy rearms. Your point is invalid. No, it doesn't. Auto-start does not teach you how to properly start a module. Your point is invalid. You must not know what elitism is. Stating that I helped someone learn how to AAR using an xBox controller is not elitism. Keep making excuses in life, see how far you make it. Better yet ED should start giving out participation "trophies." Again, you are using that word incorrectly. If someone can learn to AAR with an xBox controller you have no excuse why you can't learn with a joystick. It simply takes time and patience. Drop the BS.

Tools? An easy refuel option is not a "tool." It is a handicap and you will do yourself a disservice if you ever want to disable that feature later on. I've spent hours helping another virtual aviator learn how to perform AAR using an xBox controller. Excuses are invalid.

Did they change it to Friday? Originally they had said pre-order would start on 22 May.

Or, just maybe, people practice until they get it.

I'm sure we will get more info on what VR is like in the Viper. I can read the Hornet's HUD just fine in VR so I imagine the Viper will be just fine as well. Pre-order does start today, the exact time is unknown.

Those were the days back on Multiviper's; fond memories.