GAJ52

+1 :(

The purpose of this bug report is to highlight the problem with Wingmen NOT attacking SPI targets. The method you used does work, but you have no control over what he attacks. Thats why I asked people to try it in a certain sequence to see if it was just my installation or a widespread software bug. I must reiterate at one time the AI did attack the Air Defence Unit when set as SPI, as I have used this mission for training from the early Beta's. Something has been broken during the various updates which is spoiling the SP gameplay. The manual describes in detail how its supposed to work, the sim on the other hand hasn't read the manual :(

Many thanks for your help. Its good to hear someone is looking into this annoying problem. I'm also getting a similar problem with the Ka-50 when asked to attack a Data-link target, he says copy or roger heads in the direction of the target then says rejoin without firing - could this problem be linked ??

I wish somebody from ED would make a quick comment on this thread and say something like "Yes we are aware of issues with AI and it will be fixed at some stage". I find this total silence from them on this subject really annoying. I don't normally start shouting and throwing my toys out of the pram, but ED have broken the AI during one of the other updates and should at least acknowledge this, so people like me don't take up forum space by complaining about known issues. One thing I find strange is that more people are not complaining about this issue, is it that they just use MP or don't use their wingman or theirs is working as it should - strange !

Thanks Mouse for the info, it will be interesting to see what Fimble comes up with when he try's it

Thanks 1.2.2.7570

I have managed to create a 'Create Fast Mission' with only Min AAA. The problem I am having with Wingman not attacking these units can be reproduced within this mission and the Track size is just over 1 Mb.

Its one of the Instant Action missions and happens fairly early on, so I'm surprised its 4.5 megs. I've never used the Mission Editor, may be a good opportunity to learn ! I tried right clicking on the file (Win 7) and sent it to a Compressed Folder but it hardly reduced the size at all.

Hi AtaliaA1 That is really weird, your account of the same track is so different from mine, I was convinced you were having a bit of fun. On my computer he acknowledged the command then just turned to follow me. I have played it again a few times, even just watching an external view of my wingman, and he definitely doesn't fire anything ??? I'm having a very similar problem with the Ka-50 wingman, so there may be some file embedded on my hard drive that wasn't removed or changed when I updated DCS World. I have put a similar post on the Ka-50 forum and practically no other member backed me up, so perhaps its just me. It would be nice if forum members would comment by saying something like "It works fine for me" then I would know its my problem alone and not the software. Once again Sir I do apologise for doubting you and appreciate your feedback :thumbup:

How do I reduce a 4.5 Mb track to below 2 Mb to send to support ? Glen

Thanks ! That's exactly why I am asking others for help, it might be something wrong with my installation screwing up the AI, especially as I'm getting a similar problem with the Ka-50. I have no other problems with either the A-10C or Ka-50 except sometimes AI wingman not attacking targets even when he acknowledges the instruction. As I understand it if he didn't have a valid target he would say something like 'Negative' or 'Unable' If AialiaA1 was being genuine with his comments then I sincerely apologise for thinking he was just trying to be funny. As his findings were so very different from mine with the same track. Its been downloaded 5 times so far, can someone else please report if the Wingman attacked any Air Defence target ?

Hi Yurgon Many thanks for your comments, much appreciated. If you get time would you mind trying the mission in my first post above and see what the wingie does then. The problem may not be AI related at all but a bug within the mission structure. Thanks again :thumbup:

Then you was watching the wrong track mate. If that was a genuine mistake fair enough, if not please don't give misleading information that might prevent others from watching the track and helping me out.

Why didn't my wingman attack the target - short track attached. Failed Attack.trk

I agree it has always been there, but is that a reason not to try and get the AI fixed. At the moment ED seems to be fixing cosmetic issues like the sound of the APU etc. If you play MP then the AI issue may not be a problem, but if you play SP then its a massive issue - and no I don't want to play MP. We have a very similar problem with the Ka-50 when attacking Data-link targets the AI will acknowledge a target then refuse to attack it. There may be a common link, I don't know. These guys at ED are obviously very talented people to produce such a great series of sims, so to troubleshoot this very significant SP AI problem should not be that great a challenge, seeing as its supposed to work according to the manual.

Its been like this for the last 4 or 5 updates, so I don't think we will see a solution soon unless more of us confirm its a problem. Because its an Instant Action mission its very easy to replicate, by following my actions above. It will only take a few minutes and you will get the chance to blow a few things up !!

Is there no one else willing to help me out here :( If we can prove there is a significant bug with the AI Wingman not attacking when commanded to, we may be able to get ED to fix it. If its only me saying there is a problem then that's most unlikely and this problem will remain broken. I cannot submit a track as its too far into the mission and the track will be too big, I've tried it before.

I'm having a problem getting my wingman to attack a AAA unit in the first Instant Action mission - currently using 1.2.2.7570. Can I ask one or more fellow A-10C pilots to try this mission please and let me know what his/her wingman does at Waypoint 4 (bridge). Start the Instant Action - East Georgia - Spring mission and take out the two Trucks WP2 and the Patrol WP3, then head over to the Bridge WP4. Set the bridge as SPI and command your wingman to attack the AAA unit guarding the bridge by giving the following radio commands F1 Wingman, F3 Engage with, F4 Engage Air Defences, F1 Missile then F1 Default. He will probably say Copy or Roger, then can you let me know what he does then. Thanks, Glen

Bump

Have just successfully updated to 1.2.2 7570. Although for me the initial Datalink problem seems to have been fixed, my wingman appears to receive the Datalink information OK. However the problem of him NOT attacking the Datalink targets when given options 'F1 Target' or 'F3 Targets by Type' still persists. As a recap, if I send him a Datalink target and ask him to attack it with option F1 or F3 he will always acknowledge the command by saying Roger or Copy, fly in the direction of the target, then turn around and say Rejoin without firing a shot. This was working fine at one stage but appears to have been broken during one of the previous updates. This Datalink / Wingman problem was acknowledged by Nate at the start of the Datalink Bug thread, but we still have it after several updates. Can anyone from ED provide an update please if it will be fixed for the next patch, as its a reasonably serious bug for those of us trying to use the Datalink Attack method of combat with the Ka-50. Thanks :)

Any news on this please ?

I have requested twice now, very politely, for any of the Devs or Testers to comment on this problem post 1.2.2. As I haven't had one answer I assume fixing this problem is very low on their current priorities. I have always been very impressed in the support given by ED and their determination to fix anything that's broken, but in this case the Datalink / Wingman attack problem is ruining the sim gameplay but they don't seem interested, even a comment would be nice ?

I can't start DCS using my usual desktop icon since the last patch ?? I have looked in Saved Games but could only find autoupdate.cache which I removed but autupdate.lock wasn't there ?

Right, did some more testing ! When the wingman has been sent the Datalink target, it appears if you assign him 'Group', as the last poster said, he will attack the targets. So when giving him Datalink targets, you have to select either 2. Targets or 4. Targets by type. If you use 1. Target or 3. Target by Type he wont attack. Maybe something for ED to look into.

Can any of the Devs or Testers tell me if the recent SP Datalink problem was fixed in the 1.2.2 patch. Please don't move this post again, its a question not a bug report. Thanks Glen