DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

 

Flying above the clouds with the Air Police. EFM test of the Autopilot.

Nice! :thumbup:

Love these pictures.

-Nick

So good.....

Thanks for the screenshot. I hope the EFM is coming along nicely and not causing you too much headache :)

Few more infos

1. The HAF doesn't use anymore the Super 530. All missiles are in storage.

Anyway, i asked what will happen, if after missile launch the radar contact with the target will broken and shortly after regained again. Answer : the missile will miss.

2. During the target illumination, the pilot of the launching aircraft can take offset, so he doesn't need to have the target straight ahead of him, provided that the target remains within the radar scan area and is all the time tracked.

3. The pilot selects the exocet missile through the osb buttons on the HDD.

There is a "tws'' mode , but during anti ship attacks the aircraft focuses only on one target. The radar mode is called SRT and Works in conjuction with the exocet missile.

4. I operated the control stick on the 2000-5 (forgot to do that on the C). The pitch movement distance is very very short (1-2 cm), the roll distance is noticeable bigger. The stick is stiff.

5. On the airbase were present f-16 's with their crews. So i asked them and the m2000's pilots who wins in a dogfight. Both were very confident about their aircraft. On a gun's only, 5000 ft , 1 vs 1 scenario the mirage 2000 - 5 pilot told me : no way, we have them. He added that you have to think twice to engage an f-16 at medium altitutes, because this aircraft can maintain the speed during turns very well.

6. Also, there is a third party gps system installed on the aircraft and the moving map can be shown on the HDD.

7. Regarding gun symbology with a radar track, the counter clockwise circle represents 1200m distance on the 12 o' clock position, 900m on the 9', 600 m on the 6' and 300 m on the 3 o' clock

Few more.

I want to mention that in Real life, the m2000 cockpit is very tight. It's like wearing a slim fit pant. The instruments have the size of a big wrist watch.

Also, the color of the M2000C cockpit is in First person much darker, almost black, and not gray, like in the photos. The 2000- 5 cockpit is black.

Keep it coming.

If you still can, any chance you could ask a couple of questions?

- Has there been any instance of a pilot needing to disable the FBW computer, and having to fly the jet without its input? Is it even possible?

- The HUD has a couple of peculiar feautures, notably the synthetic runway and the energy carets: I haven't seen them in any other western jet I know of, but they seem like extremely useful feautures. Is there a reason for the lack of implementation elsewhere?

Keep in mind I may be wrong on the second one, and other aircraft I don't know about have them.

What kinds of Autopilot the Mirage 2000C is going to feature?

What kinds of Autopilot the Mirage 2000C is going to feature?

Q: How is the Mirage autopilot ?

A: It is a simple implementation. It has four modes:

a. Attitude Hold, which is connected by default when activating the AP.

b. Altitude Hold, which holds the current aircraft altitude.

c. Select Altitude Hold, which holds the altitude selected by the altitude selector (the group of drums below the AP panel ligths).

e. Glideslope and Approach hold mode. For automatic landings.

Source:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2531810&postcount=11

I think Swedish fighters use synthetic runway too. Gripen and Viggen.

AP:

- attitude hold

- altitude hold

- track/ slope hold and set (change both with trim command)

- altitude capture

- auto ILS

Q: How is the Mirage autopilot ?

A: It is a simple implementation. It has four modes:

a. Attitude Hold, which is connected by default when activating the AP.

b. Altitude Hold, which holds the current aircraft altitude.

c. Select Altitude Hold, which holds the altitude selected by the altitude selector (the group of drums below the AP panel ligths).

e. Glideslope and Approach hold mode. For automatic landings.

 

Source:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2531810&postcount=11

What's the difference between Attitude and Altitude? Sorry English isn't my native languege.

What's the difference between Attitude and Altitude? Sorry English isn't my native languege.

You normally use Attitude AP to keep a constant bank angle at a given altitude.

It doesn't keep altitude!

You use it to make a steady climb or descent. or just to keep the plane flying straight where you are pointing.

Edit: in the A-10C this is the "PATH" mode.

It doesn't keep altitude!

You use it to make a steady climb or descent. or just to keep the plane flying straight where you are pointing.

Edit: in the A-10C this is the "PATH" mode.

Oh, I stand corrected. I confused my A-10C AP names.

Yeah altitude, attitude, very similar names, totally different purpose :D

The HUD has a couple of peculiar feautures, notably the synthetic runway and the energy carets: I haven't seen them in any other western jet I know of, but they seem like extremely useful feautures. Is there a reason for the lack of implementation elsewhere?

Certainly those airliners equipped with HUDs have synthetic runway displays (one of the main reasons to have a HUD there). As for why fighters don't have them, maybe the modern ones do? It needs some storage space to keep all the runway locations and orientations and the display is worse than useless if the INS position isn't very accurate (i.e. automatically updated from GPS or other GNSS).

Certainly those airliners equipped with HUDs have synthetic runway displays (one of the main reasons to have a HUD there). As for why fighters don't have them, maybe the modern ones do? It needs some storage space to keep all the runway locations and orientations and the display is worse than useless if the INS position isn't very accurate (i.e. automatically updated from GPS or other GNSS).

Maybe it's displayed only when the desire accuracy is available. Even with synthetic runway display you wouldn't land in low visibility without cat III approach anyway

As for why fighters don't have them, maybe the modern ones do?

Apparently, the F-35 has it. It's probably just a matter of time until most military aircraft has it.

There's some cool stuff the commercial aviation has and we don't (yet), like FLIR view projected on the HUD, that's really neat:pilotfly:

Regarding the 2000, I don't know what will be used for precision navigation, INS and ILS?

I don't remember if there's a GPS or not

There's some cool stuff the commercial aviation has and we don't (yet), like FLIR view projected on the HUD, that's really neat

Some military aircraft has FLIR on HUD.

Since BMS 4.33 it also exists in consumer flight sims :)

One forum member requested more photos so here we go.

Side note :The yellow / black EMER FUEL lever on the first Picture is a very small alternate throttle lever, used only

in Emergency situations instead of the normal throttle .

Do you information about radar control panel ?

EXP = ground map or SEA mode zoom ?

FIX = freeze the map (GM/ SEA)?

Escorting the bear. EFM Autopilot test.

 

Escorting the bear. EFM Autopilot test.

May I ask a question? Now that the thread is more calm. :joystick:

Will the TM Warthog switches be implemented as proper states (like with the A10)? I don't obviously expect a plug and play configuration, since the two HOTAS are not 1:1, but will we have to mess with .lua files?

Very nice.

 

May I ask a question? Now that the thread is more calm. :joystick:

 

Will the TM Warthog switches be implemented as proper states (like with the A10)? I don't obviously expect a plug and play configuration, since the two HOTAS are not 1:1, but will we have to mess with .lua files?

At this moment there are several switches that can be programmed into a complex throttle/stick system like Saitek's Rhyno X-55 or the Warthog. These will be polished after open beta, so the answer is a cautious yes.

At this moment you can assign several instruments panel switches like the Armament Panel/Radar Panel and of course the HOTAS themselves into your Warthog system without needing to mess with the .lua files.

Do so enormous fuel tanks limit plane max AoA or other things during fight?

Whenever I see Mirage with fuel pods, I wonder how it can fly with them.

Dafuq?