Krupi Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hello Chaps, As you can hopefully tell I am currently working on a foldaway Spitfire Cockpit :pilotfly: Closed Open I will be starting work on the actual frame tomorrow however I have been very slowly working on the innards over the past few months. Unfortunately I seem to have misplaced pictures of the throttle so I will have to take some again... Kudos to Troll for his fabulous Simbox which inspired me "aka I stole is idea..." http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?t=1953 Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) I have been pondering one of my biggest issues in recreating a 1:1 replica Spitfire Control Column and that is how to dampen/load it :( At present I am looking at around ~15lbf for the elevators and ~30lbf for the ailerons however this is subject to change (There was a marked difference in the real aircraft which is why I want to mimic it). The elevators force above should be fairly simple to replicate, I was looking at something like this... http://www.slamproof.co.uk/epages/BT3287.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3287/Categories/Deceleration_Cylinders However replicating the aileron force will not be so easy... Currently I am thinking along the lines of one of these.... http://www.slamproof.co.uk/epages/BT3287.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3287/Categories/Rotary_Dampers/Continuous_Rotary_Dampers Which would attach to the gearbox at the end of the column (The part which attaches to the fuselage.. see images below). However the rotary damper could leave me with a 5% slip (No resistance from the rotary damper at the start) & an expensive design, so if you chaps could steer me in another direction/solution that would be very much appreciated! :thumbup: Edited December 19, 2016 by Krupi Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) I have been trying to crack on with this project between cooking, drinking & flying the spit of course :D When it comes to tools I don't always have the right stuff so workarounds have to be employed as the image below shows... But it works out okay in the end :D I could not put off the biggest job any longer and final finished the gearbox assembly, which actually went very smoothly. Tomorrow I will attach the pedals to the frame & start to build the box :) Thanks to draken152 for inspirational use of aluminium profiles in his mind blowing Dora Cockpit :thumbup: Edited December 28, 2016 by Krupi Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 PLACEHOLDER 3 Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ward8124 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Love the design and intention to this bud. Good luck with the build! EVGA GTX1080TISC2 Black Hybrid Cooler, Asus Strix X399, Water cooled ThreadRipper 1920X, Dominator 32GB 3200Mhz,NVME Samsung 250/500GB SSDs, Corsair Air 740 case, Acer Predator 34' Gsync curved display + 3x Alienware 23inch 120hz monitors. TM HOTAS, RAZER - Tiamat,Blackwidow, Mamba, Tartarus and Oculus Rift CV1/DK2 + TrackIR5, MFG crosswinds Oh and a very understanding wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draken152 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Another WW2 bird, perfect. Good luck man:pilotfly:...Haven’t you build Fw190d cockpit in the past??? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Building FW190D pit ,,To Dora with love" http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=132743 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VO101_MMaister Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hi Krupi, your concept looks good I think. On the elevator you can go for a much cheaper damping solution. Search for motorcycle steering dampers on ebay. They are adjustable, have no backlash, have smooth operation and are cheap. On the aileron the rotary damper is great. Unfortunately the quality ones are expensive. The cheaper ones are usually for lids and forniture doors, and not for precise mechanical components. ACE controls have quite a few types, maybe they have some without backlash. http://www.acecontrols.com/ In my setup Im using DEB rotaries. They are great but very expensive. I found mine on ebay for peanuts though. http://www.debmfg.com/Aerospace-Equipment.html Regarding loads: Your concept to have twice the load on the aileron compared to the elevator might be right for the Spit, but it is very uncoventional and ergonomically unconfy. Usually it is the other way around. Simply because the human arm is much weaker for lateral moves than for pulling and pushing. As I know Supermarine went that way as well and increased the control loads on the elevator after the mark V and on. 30lbs is a lot for a constant aileron load, you might want to reconsider. Lower loads will also allow you to apply smaller and cheaper damper. In real aircraft the control loads are changing all the time with the airspeed. Making controls with constant high loads are unrealistic and compromise precision inputs. In my experience low loads with plenty damping is the way to go. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] KG13 Control Grip Building Control Stick and Rudder Design i7 8700K, Asus Z370-E, 1080 Ti, 32Gb RAM, EVO960 500Gb, Oculus CV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Thanks chaps :D Another WW2 bird, perfect. Good luck man:pilotfly:...Haven’t you build Fw190d cockpit in the past??? Unfortunately I have no space for my 190 pit and I wasn't willing to compromise on the design, so it is on pause :cry: Hi Krupi, your concept looks good I think. On the elevator you can go for a much cheaper damping solution. Search for motorcycle steering dampers on ebay. They are adjustable, have no backlash, have smooth operation and are cheap. On the aileron the rotary damper is great. Unfortunately the quality ones are expensive. The cheaper ones are usually for lids and forniture doors, and not for precise mechanical components. ACE controls have quite a few types, maybe they have some without backlash. http://www.acecontrols.com/ In my setup Im using DEB rotaries. They are great but very expensive. I found mine on ebay for peanuts though. http://www.debmfg.com/Aerospace-Equipment.html I knew I had forgotten to give someone else a kudos, I stole the idea of using a rotary damper from your design so Kudos to you MMaister :thumbup: I don't suppose you happen to have a spare DEB rotary! :music_whistling: I was actually looking at a motorcycle steering damper for the ailerons why did I not think of using one for the elevator! :doh: So to clarify one of these... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-CNC-Motorcycle-Steering-Damper-Stabilizer-For-Honda-Suzuki-Yamaha-Kawasaki-/231805952150?hash=item35f8b62096:g:DnYAAOSwKtlWjhUK For the elevator. Unfortunately I do not know what size of force they can dampen? How about one of these for the aileron forces? http://www.ebay.com/itm/C201-Steering-Stabilizer-Damper-For-Suzuki-Hayabusa-GSX1300R-GPR-V4-2008-2012-/302059265633 I would adapt a plate to fit on the gearbox so it would move with the elevator and a pin coming off the control column :) Regarding loads: Your concept to have twice the load on the aileron compared to the elevator might be right for the Spit, but it is very uncoventional and ergonomically unconfy. Usually it is the other way around. Simply because the human arm is much weaker for lateral moves than for pulling and pushing. As I know Supermarine went that way as well and increased the control loads on the elevator after the mark V and on. 30lbs is a lot for a constant aileron load, you might want to reconsider. Lower loads will also allow you to apply smaller and cheaper damper. In real aircraft the control loads are changing all the time with the airspeed. Making controls with constant high loads are unrealistic and compromise precision inputs. In my experience low loads with plenty damping is the way to go. I have been pondering what to do, do I mimic a high speed scenario or a low speed... regardless of which I want the difference in the two controls to be represented. Edited December 19, 2016 by Krupi Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VO101_MMaister Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I knew I had forgotten to give someone else a kudos, I stole the idea of using a rotary damper from your design so Kudos to you MMaister :thumbup: It is my pleasure if my project gave some inspiration to others :) I don't suppose you happen to have a spare DEB rotary! :music_whistling: Actually I might have a 1pc around ;) Let me have a look at my inventory, and I will send you a pm about it. For the elevator. Unfortunately I do not know what size of force they can dampen? I don`t have exact info about it, but it has a very wide range. It will fit well I think. How about one of these for the aileron forces? http://www.ebay.com/itm/C201-Steering-Stabilizer-Damper-For-Suzuki-Hayabusa-GSX1300R-GPR-V4-2008-2012-/302059265633 I would adapt a plate to fit on the gearbox so it would move with the elevator and a pin coming off the control column :) I don`t know it, but it is probably worth a try. Actually I bought quite a few stuff just for testing when I built. Some parts turned out to be great like the dampers, but some were useless. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] KG13 Control Grip Building Control Stick and Rudder Design i7 8700K, Asus Z370-E, 1080 Ti, 32Gb RAM, EVO960 500Gb, Oculus CV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Kudos to Troll for his fabulous Simbox which inspired me "aka I stole is idea..." He calls himself 'Goblin' on these boards... ;) Seriously cool idea, Krupi! Looking forward to see how this will turn out! I have made some adjustments to my seat, and rebuilt the SimBox for VR use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hey Goblin, Thanks for the inspiration, hopefully mine will turn out just as classy as yours :thumbup: Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Thanks for the inspiration, hopefully mine will turn out just as classy as yours :thumbup: Ditto! Your build is inspiring me as well! Here's a pic of my new custom seat :) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178452 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 Update... https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2989371&postcount=3 Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) Hey Chaps, I have been quite busy moving into new digs and having to paint etc... which I have been doing for the last few months. I made myself promise not to fly in DCS until I had the majority of the rooms painted and also reached a decent step towards completing the spitfire control column. This has been torture as I have completely missed the Normandy Pre-Alpha :doh: However this weekend I almost finished the apartment and made significant steps towards finishing the control column as you will see below... I was able to purchase a camera button and connection for my grip, luckily it just manages to clamp around my fake "grip texture" :D Over the past few months I have been experimenting with a variety of mechanisms on the aileron control and have finally settled on a design. Unfortunately the cost of making the parts I required was insane, luckily I was able to make use of a milling machine at work after a bit of a refresher (I relived my apprentice days fortunately I have gained a lot of patience from those days :poster_oops:) and was able to pay attention long enough to make something that would do the job :) I know it doesn't look like much, I can already see the sneer on real machinists faces. However this piece of aluminium has an important job it allowed me to complete the column and send the parts off to my local powder coater who turned my odds bits of aluminium into something far more presentable :D I still have a long way to go to see my original concept come to fruiting & some parts are still rushed together experiments... However once the columns and buttons have been connected I am one step closer to my goal of immersion and my first flight in DCS in months :pilotfly: FYI there is roughly a 50% difference between the elevator and the aileron control in an attempt to mimic something like the actual controls, hence the need for four springs :) Edited May 29, 2017 by Krupi 1 Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Burns Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Far out mate, you can afford those pedals, the extrusion and all that but not a jig saw to make those cutouts? Damn I would send you mine if i were still living in the UK just too much postage from Australia. You pit looks like a great start, love the foldaway design, the way you have designed it, your metalwork. Look forward to seeing the progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobinjaevel Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 That thing is gorgeous! Great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansolo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Incredible craftmanship Sir :thumbup: Keep the pictures flowing Cheers Hans 132nd Virtual Wing homepage & 132nd Virtual Wing YouTube channel My DCS-BIOS sketches & Cockpit Album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 Far out mate, you can afford those pedals, the extrusion and all that but not a jig saw to make those cutouts? Damn I would send you mine if i were still living in the UK just too much postage from Australia. You pit looks like a great start, love the foldaway design, the way you have designed it, your metalwork. Look forward to seeing the progress. LOL in my defence I rushed those bits to get it setup, I will be making a pieces actually fit for this build at some point :D That thing is gorgeous! Great job! Incredible craftmanship Sir :thumbup: Keep the pictures flowing Cheers Hans Thank you :) Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ward8124 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 That column is a work of an Art and I'm mightily impressed/jealous. EVGA GTX1080TISC2 Black Hybrid Cooler, Asus Strix X399, Water cooled ThreadRipper 1920X, Dominator 32GB 3200Mhz,NVME Samsung 250/500GB SSDs, Corsair Air 740 case, Acer Predator 34' Gsync curved display + 3x Alienware 23inch 120hz monitors. TM HOTAS, RAZER - Tiamat,Blackwidow, Mamba, Tartarus and Oculus Rift CV1/DK2 + TrackIR5, MFG crosswinds Oh and a very understanding wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shreddersa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Hi Krupi, Whatever happened to your cockpit build? Looked really good what you had done. Cheers, Roel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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