DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

[Askerov24]

Well, it wad just to show how it looks like. Not a promise you will have it. I'm not the one to ask :music_whistling:

 

Moreover it's not magic, it requires proper INS and altimeter settings, and ILS capture. So you need good preparation before flight.

 

Mirage 2000 autopilot is very cool. It can follow ILS down to 200ft. Or you can fly threw the AP by adjusting heading and vertical path with stick trim command.

 

thanks for the info Jojo

[SilentGun]

... my mind is blown on how much progress you guys are making!

[domini99]

For the real Mirage 2000 C RDI :

- Mk-82

- high drag 250kg bomb

- GBU-12 for buddy lasing (external designation)

- gun/ rocket

 

Right now French Mirage 2000 C are deployed in Africa, in AG tasking, to patrol with Mirage 2000 D.

 

 

This sounds a bit disappointing, but we'll see.

I'm looking more for an aircraft that can drop guided bombs/guided missiles and is also supersonic.

 

Guess I'm gonna have to wait for the F/A-18 :)

 

I've read something about an AS-30 missile, which is supposed to be a laser guided air-to-surface missile.

 

Probably from another model?

Edited August 15, 2015 by domini99

[jojo]

The Mirage 2000 C RDI is primarily an air defense fighter. AG missions were secondary.

 

AS30L is a supersonic laser guided missile. Max range is about 7Nm. But it is deadly accurate.

It has been used by:

- French Jaguar A in 1st Gulf War

- Mirage 2000D in Kosovo

- Super Etendard in Libya

 

There are some pictures of Egyptian Mirage 2000 EM with AS30L and laser pod. But it was probably just for showcase. I only know 1 picture on the ground, I never saw any other picture of Mirage 2000 EM with laser guided weapons.

 

Mirage 2000 EH in India did use laser guided bombs against Pakistani forces in Kargil conflict. It was Israeli laser pod and bomb kits, and the modification were home made by Indians.

 

Mirage 2000 EAD in United Arab Emirates had laser weapon capabilities (upgraded to 2000-9).

 

So yes export Mirage 2000 have laser guided weapons capability, but they use older RDM radar with poor look down/ shoot down capacity.

 

I think Mirage 2000 C RDI can be seen as French counterpart to MiG-29 : all weather supersonic interceptor, with look down/ shoot down, good close combat capacity and secondary AG mission with unguided weapons.

GBU-12 for buddy lasing is a recent feature.

 

It was not so bad in Europe in 1986 !

Don't judge this aircraft by 2015 standards. Of course today it is outdated. But it will be a perfect match for DCS world. It's a Cold War warrior...keep that in mind for mission scenarios.

Edited August 15, 2015 by jojo

[Tomhatter]

Air to Air, Air to Ground and Air to Sea capability.

 

We need another airplane that offers all the aforementioned capabilities. The Mirage 2000 has the ability to do this. Even the F-14 A/B can't do it all. Please make this bird more diversified and not restricted to just the Air to Air interceptor role.

 

 

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1357443

[Tomhatter]

Mirage 2000C Additional Info

 

Make note of the armament/avionics

 

Mirage 2000C

 

 

 

Mirage 2000C

 

 

The first Mirage 2000 to go into service was the single-seat Mirage 2000C interceptor, C stands for Chasseur (Fighter) variant. There were four single-seat prototypes, including the initial Mirage 2000 prototype. The first production Mirage 2000C flew in November 1982. Deliveries began in 1983. The first operational squadron was formed in 1984, the 50th anniversary of the French Air Force. A total of 124 Mirage-2000Cs were obtained by the AdA.

The first 37 Mirage 2000Cs delivered were fitted with the Thomson-CSF RDM (Radar Doppler Multifunction) and were powered by the SNECMA M53-5 turbofan engine. The 38th Mirage 2000C had an upgraded SNECMA M53-5 P2 turbofan engine. The Radar Doppler Impulse (RDI) built by Thales for the Mirage 2000C entered service in 1987. It has a much improved range of about 150 km, and is linked to Matra Super 530D missiles, which are much improved compared to the older Super 530F. Look-down/shoot-down capabilities are much improved as well, but this radar is not usually used for air-to-surface roles. (Note that "look-down/shoot-down" often refers to being able to track and target another flying object at a lower altitude, rather than targeting an object on the surface itself.)

Upgrades includes the addition of the Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR) mode to the RDI Radar to allow identification of airborne targets not responding on IFF, integration for the Matra MICA IR heat-seeking missile, and the ability to carry air-to-ground stores such as Matra 68 mm rocket pods (18 each), Mk 80 series or French 250, 400, and 1000 kg iron bombs, and cluster bombs such as the Belouga or non-French models. Some variants, especially those equipped with the RDM radar (mainly used in export models) have the capability to use the Exocet anti-ship missile. Also, Indian Mirage 2000s have been integrated to carry the Russian R-73AE Archer missile and the indigenous Indian built Astra missile.

 

 

Specifications (Mirage 2000C)

 

External images Dassault Mirage 2000 cutaway Hi-res cutaway of the Dassault Mirage 2000 by Flight Global Data from Complete Encyclopedia of World Aircraft,[4] International Directory of Military Aircraft[5]

General characteristics

 

• Crew: 1
  
• Length: 14.36 m (47 ft 1 in)
  
• Wingspan: 9.13 m (29 ft)
  
• Height: 5.20 m (17 ft)
  
• Wing area: 41 m² (441.3 ft²)
  
• Empty weight: 7,500 kg (16,350 lb)
  
• Loaded weight: 13,800 kg (30,420 lb)
  
• Max. takeoff weight: 17,000 kg (37,500 lb)
  
• Powerplant: 1 × SNECMA M53-P2 afterburning turbofan
  
  • Dry thrust: 64.3 kN (14,500 lbf)
    
  • Thrust with afterburner: 95.1 kN (21,400 lbf)
    

   

Performance

 

• Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 (2,530+ km/h, 1,500+ mph) at high altitude/ 1,110 km/h (690 mph) at low altitude
  
• Range: 1,550 km (837 nmi, 963 mi) with drop tanks
  
• Ferry range: 3,335 km (1,800 nmi, 2,073 mi) with auxiliary fuel
  
• Service ceiling: 17,060 m (59,000 ft)
  
• Rate of climb: 285 m/s (56,000 ft/min)
  
• Wing loading: 337 kg/m² (69 lb/ft²)
  
• Thrust/weight: 0.7 at loaded weight
  

Armament

 

 

• Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.18 in) DEFA 554 revolver cannon, 125 rounds per gun
  
• Hardpoints: 9 total (4× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 6,300 kg (13,900 lb) external fuel and ordnance
  
• Rockets: Matra 68 mm unguided rocket pods, 18 rockets per pod
  
• Missiles:
  
  • Air-to-air missiles:
    
    • 6× MBDA MICA IR/RF
      
    • 2× Matra R550 Magic-II and 2× Matra Super 530D
      

     

    [*]Air-to-surface missiles:

    • 2× AM.39 Exocet
      
    • 2× AS-30L laser-guided missile
      
    • 1× ASMP tactical nuclear cruise missile
      

     

   

  [*]Bombs:

  • Unguided:
    
    • 9× Mk.82
      

     

    [*]Guided:

    • PGM 500 and PGM 2000 modular guided bombs (Mirage 2000-9)
      

     

   

Avionics

 

 

• Thomson-CSF RDY (Radar Doppler Multi-target) radar
  

[jojo]

Missiles:

• 
  
• Air-to-air missiles:
  
  • 
    
  • 6× MBDA MICA IR/RF => Mirage 2000-5/ 2000-9/ 2000 I
    
  • 2× Matra R550 Magic-II and 2× Matra Super 530D => Ok
    

   

  [*]Air-to-surface missiles:

  • 
    
  • 2× AM.39 Exocet => Mirage 2000 EG/ 2000-5 Mk2 (Greece)
    
  • 2× AS-30L laser-guided missile => Mirage 2000 D
    
  • 1× ASMP tactical nuclear cruise missile => Mirage 2000 N
    

Bombs:

• 
  
• Unguided:
  
  • 
    
  • 9× Mk.82
    

   

  [*]Guided:

  • 
    
  • PGM 500 and PGM 2000 modular guided bombs (Mirage 2000-9) => Yes
    

Avionics

 

 

 

• 
  
• Thomson-CSF RDY (Radar Doppler Multi-target) radar => Mirage 2000-5 (France, Qatar, Taiwan) RDY-2 => United Arab Emirates
  
• RDY-3 => upgraded Mirage 2000 I ("customization" of Mirage 2000-5 Mk2)
  

So you're asking to merge all Mirage 2000s variants into one. :doh: (indeed you want the Rafale :D)

Edited August 16, 2015 by jojo

[Zeus67]

Missiles:

 

So you're asking to merge all Mirage 2000s variants into one. :doh: (indeed you want the Rafale :D)

 

Play nice kids.

[Zeus67]

Quick video of a radar test:

[SilentGun]

Amazing! cant wait to shoot down eagles and flankers with this! :D

[dartuil]

We french pilots are waiting for this and the F1.

Do you have a video with the M2000C engine sound at startup in DCS? :)

[SilentGun]

What is the maximum detection range for this radar?

[Zeus67]

What is the maximum detection range for this radar?

 

RDI? Documentation in my hands states 320 Kms, about 170 nmiles. But that is the display factor. Frankly I think that the practical range is about half that number.

 

From wikipedia:

The manufacturers claim that RDM will detect 90% of 5m² RCS fighter-sized targets out to 50 nmi (93 km) in clear air using a four-bar search pattern over 120° in azimuth, and 60 nmi (111 km) with a single-bar pattern over 30° in azimuth, dropping to 20 nmi (37 km) in pulse-Doppler look-down mode. RDI uses a higher pulse-repetition frequency for its dedicated interception role, increasing clear-air range to around 66 nmi (122 km) and 50 nmi (93 km) is possible in look-down mode.

 

Unfortunately actual details of this radar are still classified so I must make educated guesses on its operational parameters.

[Bidartarra]

Thank you for your hard work. I just can't wait!

[zaelu]

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from facebook page of RAZBAM

 

https://www.facebook.com/RazbamSims?fref=nf

[OziRekt]

Are we getting Exocets?

[Askerov24]

I think Mirage 2000 C RDI can be seen as French counterpart to MiG-29 : all weather supersonic interceptor, with look down/ shoot down, good close combat capacity and secondary AG mission with unguided weapons.

 

Totally agree with you. MiG 29S is a good counterpart to RDI

[dartuil]

M2000 and mig-29 are said to be rival.

It is M2000 vs F-16 vs Mig-29.

[Askerov24]

One question guys, will this Mirage replace the 2000-5, or it will be an addition? I hope it will be an addition.

[Askerov24]

Oh, and also it would be great to se an AI 2000D :)

[domini99]

The Mirage looks cool, but it probably isn't something for me.

Don't get me wrong, I love air-to-air combat, but having yet another aircraft which primary function is air superiority....

 

I'll leave that to real fighter pilots :)

I'll wait for another jet that can fulfill that role.

[Manuel_108]

Actually, the other "modern" air superiority fighters are all FC aircraft with no clickable cockpit/detailed startup etc.. Can't really count the Mig-21 either as it is primarily an inteceptor.

[jojo]

The Mirage looks cool, but it probably isn't something for me.

Don't get me wrong, I love air-to-air combat, but having yet another aircraft which primary function is air superiority....

 

I'll leave that to real fighter pilots :)

I'll wait for another jet that can fulfill that role.

 

This is the right of any customer :smilewink:

 

Anyway no one has to decide yet, you will have plenty of time to make your mind and see all features when it will be ready.

 

[This is not for you domini99]

There is just no point to ask making the Mirage 2000 C RDI what it is not. I think this is the same for any module in DCS world. The teams are doing their best to get as close as possible to the real aircraft. No one is adding feature that doesn't exist on their aircraft.

I see no one asking for LGB on F-15C, you may ask for F-15E but this a different bird.

At least this is my point of view.

[Rangi]

The Mirage looks cool, but it probably isn't something for me.

Don't get me wrong, I love air-to-air combat, but having yet another aircraft which primary function is air superiority....

 

I'll leave that to real fighter pilots :)

I'll wait for another jet that can fulfill that role.

 

I thought the hawk and Mig 21 weren't for me when they were announced, but after following their development progress I got interested and had to try them out. Now they are my favourite jet modules and it's looking like the mirage will take me on a similar journey.

[oovaoosh]

First hand, so long...