What to Think

[lazduc]

Flight sim fans,

 

I have been a flight sim fan since TRS-80 days. I have purchased most SSI titles, Lockon, FC, then DCS. Around 20 titles. I have also purchased numerous other sims and other subject types.

 

Since Wags request for info on tanks and seeing the lack of progress on the flight sim side of their business I am convinced of ED's move away from flight sims and towards the combat type sim. I see third party developers doing the lions share of flight sim progress. I also see the development of mostly heli types. I have not seen anything but a facelift on the FC series. I see ED ( commercial side) trying to tie different platforms together(ASL) and having a difficult time of it and spending development time on this instead of aircraft and maps focused on flying.

 

The third party developers are caught in a limbo...waiting for ED to finish Edge and Nevada and I have seen several of them drop away. I read about new vaporware titles with everything from aircraft carriers to submarines to every jet manufactured from 1950 onward and I see nothing...

 

You and I have waited for the hinted forth coming new titles for years! What has been released has been a strange mix of aircraft, platforms and fixes....with unstable updates. Most of the new software introduced seems to take advantage of ED's military business rather than the commercial side. IMHO I think ED has lost sight of the core reason why many of us hang in there. I for one want jets, flying, new areas to fly in....

 

I am sure there are many who like the military combat sim. But this company's target audience was flight sim types. I still cannot understand the reason for the P-51 although with the kickstarter ww2 it does fit but that title will be a long long way off..reading that forem's posts. But the p-51 now???

 

The Mig 21...how can they release it when Edge and Nevada are not out?

This seems to indicate it was developed for the older software engine.

 

I enjoy realism in flying but I do not enjoy a tedious start up procedure and it really does not bother me to have a rivet out of place. It does not seem important to me to have developers spend countless hours trying to get a mundane item like a latch that should move left but moves right corrected when it does not make any difference in operation only in appearance. But I realize to some this is a huge sticking point.

 

I would think that repairing all the bugs before releasing any more software would be most important. I read about dcs world 1.7xxxx and also what will be in 1.8xxxx or 1.9xxxxx and even 2.0xx. And these are suppose to be updates....or bug fixes?? Can we expect a final product or just a succession of updates? I would rather purchase an additional title with new graphics or gameplay or more realism, different aircraft, new areas than updates that repair updates on the same old software. My thoughts...yours may differ.

 

 

Lazduc :D

[Scrim]

What?

 

ED has made, and are still the publishers of more than 4/5 of the modules that are available. The only 3rd party dev that has actually released anything is BST, two helicopters.

 

LNS are making the Mig-21, so what does EDGE have to do with that?

 

Yes, there's a P-51D. Did you read the product label when you started playing DCS?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1480510&postcount=1

People need to stop throwing a fit about airframes from different eras already. If people don't actually bother to read what DCS is before they start playing it, tough.

[lunaticfringe]

People who complain about the MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-29, and Su-27 with respect to the Nevada map and EDGE have no understanding as to US aviation history and should be disregarded out of hand.

[xxJohnxx]

Hi,

 

The Mig 21...how can they release it when Edge and Nevada are not out?

This seems to indicate it was developed for the older software engine.

 

EDGE has nothing to do with the aircraft. Aircraft developed for the old engine will run on the new one as well.

 

 

I would think that repairing all the bugs before releasing any more software would be most important. I read about dcs world 1.7xxxx and also what will be in 1.8xxxx or 1.9xxxxx and even 2.0xx. And these are suppose to be updates....or bug fixes?? Can we expect a final product or just a succession of updates? I would rather purchase an additional title with new graphics or gameplay or more realism, different aircraft, new areas than updates that repair updates on the same old software. My thoughts...yours may differ.

 

The current version is 1.2.7.xxxx. They are doing bugfixes, updates, improvments on a regular basis (every couple of months).

Version 1.2.8 might be not to far out (couple of months) as well.

 

I really like this "updating regularly" thing. This has some benefits in my eyes:

- We, the community, get improvments quicker than we would if we had to wait for a major release every few years.

Example: The multiplayer at this point has some bugs. Many of them have been fixed in the latest couple of updates. It got much more stable and reliable. Without the small updates, we would have never experienced those changes.

- This shows that ED is working on the game activly. If there only would be a update every few years, lot's of people will start wondering if ED is even doing anything.

- We get aircrafts faster. Often there is a update required to include an airframe (say the Mi-8 for example). The Mi-8 was released together with the change to 1.2.7 (or 1.2.6, I don't know anymore) from the previous version. This pushed the necessary files to at least see the Mi-8 in, for example, a multiplayer session.

Without the small but somewhat regular updates we wouldn't be flying the Mi-8.

 

So for me, the small updates now and then are a very good thing! :)

[NineLine]

Since Wags request for info on tanks and seeing the lack of progress on the flight sim side of their business I am convinced of ED's move away from flight sims and towards the combat type sim.

 

It would be a different team at ED, the CA team that would be working on a tank if that is what they plan on doing, which we dont know their plans as I dont think they have made us aware of this beyond the request for info. Being as its the team focused on the ground game, it shouldnt effect the progress of anything else, such as the F/A-18C.

 

This stuff takes time on ED's side, and patience on ours...

[159th_Viper]

 

This stuff takes time on ED's side, and patience on ours...

 

This!

 

Us Old-Timers have seen impatience come and impatience go. ED is like a Rolling Stone.......they do things that need to be done on their time and more importantly, they do it properly.

 

Sit back and enjoy the ride - pondering will give you hiccups.

[joey45]

There are 3 types of gamers.

Type

1) The ones that don't know the industry apart from playing the games and telling the Dev/Pubs what todo and how they should do it..

These are known as Armchair Devs or Publishers or Fanbois

 

2) The Journalists..... They play games and review them and tell people their opinion on the game.Mostly wrong cos they don't the genre or not into the said genre.. Also known as Let players...

 

 

3) The poeple that make games and know what to do and How to do it, These know how the industry work

These are called Developers and Publishers..

 

And on that note I'm off to bed... G'night all..

[Flagrum]

Added my remarks in blue.

 

Flight sim fans,

 

I have been a flight sim fan since TRS-80 days. I have purchased most SSI titles, Lockon, FC, then DCS. Around 20 titles. I have also purchased numerous other sims and other subject types.

 

Since Wags request for info on tanks and seeing the lack of progress on the flight sim side of their business I am convinced of ED's move away from flight sims and towards the combat type sim. I see third party developers doing the lions share of flight sim progress.

One question about tanks and you take that as sign that ED has given up on aircrafts and flying? Erm ...?

I also see the development of mostly heli types.

BST is ONE 3rd Party developer. They released 2 helos. How indicative is that for the DCS ecosphere?

 

I have not seen anything but a facelift on the FC series. I see ED ( commercial side) trying to tie different platforms together(ASL) and having a difficult time of it and spending development time on this instead of aircraft and maps focused on flying.

What is ASL? And what is bad to prepare the ground work first before starting to build high?

 

The third party developers are caught in a limbo...waiting for ED to finish Edge and Nevada and I have seen several of them drop away.

Because they waited too long for EDGE and Nevada? Somehow, I doubt that... or can you provide a link or so?

 

I read about new vaporware titles with everything from aircraft carriers to submarines to every jet manufactured from 1950 onward and I see nothing...

Links please!?

You and I have waited for the hinted forth coming new titles for years! What has been released has been a strange mix of aircraft, platforms and fixes....with unstable updates. Most of the new software introduced seems to take advantage of ED's military business rather than the commercial side.

Might be my lack of understanding the english language (non native speaker), but wether the software takes advantage of what area of expertise ... why does it matter? As long as it benefits the sofware development ...?

IMHO I think ED has lost sight of the core reason why many of us hang in there. I for one want jets, flying, new areas to fly in....

And still you complain that ED puts effords and ressurces into EDGE and Nevada ...?

I am sure there are many who like the military combat sim. But this company's target audience was flight sim types. I still cannot understand the reason for the P-51 although with the kickstarter ww2 it does fit but that title will be a long long way off..reading that forem's posts. But the p-51 now???

Now? That bird is now, dunno, 2 years old?

And last time I tried it, it was actually an airplane (-> flight sim) ...

 

The Mig 21...how can they release it when Edge and Nevada are not out?

This seems to indicate it was developed for the older software engine.

... and now you complain that there are modules that are NOT delayed because of EDGE and Nevada ... it is getting ridiculous ...

 

Also to me it seems, you have not idea what EDGE is all about: it is the graphics, the look, all what you see. HOW an aircraft behaves, what it can do and can not do has nothing to do with how it LOOKs.

I enjoy realism in flying but I do not enjoy a tedious start up procedure and it really does not bother me to have a rivet out of place. It does not seem important to me to have developers spend countless hours trying to get a mundane item like a latch that should move left but moves right corrected when it does not make any difference in operation only in appearance. But I realize to some this is a huge sticking point.

Here, I - somewhat - see your point. It would be inacceptable imo to delay a module for weeks and months just because 50 rivets were off 1 mm or so. But I am pretty confident that this is not the case - especially as devs (the guys who "make the aircraft fly") are usually not the guys who make the aircraft look good (3d artists). So there is no real overlapping in tasks or ressource bottlenecks.

 

I would think that repairing all the bugs before releasing any more software would be most important. I read about dcs world 1.7xxxx and also what will be in 1.8xxxx or 1.9xxxxx and even 2.0xx.

I haven't read anthing about what is coming with 1.2.8, yet. And I haven't especially not heared about 1.2.9 or 2.0. There were rumors that there once will be a version 1.3, though. But whatever - what did you read about what features? Links?

 

And these are suppose to be updates....or bug fixes??

I have no idea. You tell me - you read about it somewhere, you said?

Can we expect a final product or just a succession of updates?

You ask ED to conclude the development on DCS? A last patch/update and then it is "finished"? And then ... what?

I would rather purchase an additional title with new graphics or gameplay or more realism, different aircraft, new areas than updates that repair updates on the same old software.

"DCS Reloaded"? Start over and do the same again, just better, cheaper and faster? So you won't have to wait for EDGE and Nevada - because it will be all in there already?

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My thoughts...yours may differ.

Oh boy, you have no idea ... :o)

 

Lazduc :D

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