Ardillita Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 version 1.12 has introduced great "improvements" to some areas. Misiles for exaple, now the alamo series has a lot less efectiveness. My setup has the missiles efectiveness bar all to the right... and is almost imposoble, at least for me to hit a fighterfrom 40 km... Ok, I know that is not much dificult to evade such a launch if you make evasive manuevers but I have been watching the IA, and is clearly much more easy to evade the misiles now than in 1.11 version. Does anyone think that this "tune up" has gone too far here? semi active missiles should be fooled that easy by chaff decoys???????
Woodstock Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 Hi Ardillita! I think your missile effectiveness settings are to extreme to tell anything usefull about missile behaviour. For a neutral comparison try missile effectiveness slider in middle position (50%), which represents closest to real life missile behaviour. Best regards, Woody "For aviators like us, the sky is not the limit - it's our home!"
Ardillita Posted February 23, 2006 Author Posted February 23, 2006 already did I already did that, in the middle position, efectiveness is much low. Of course efectiveness of enemy misilles is low too, but, now I have the feeling of shooting "nothing", and evading enemy misiles is more easy now, and took out some "condiment" to the fight.
GGTharos Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 Maybe the real missiles aren't quite that hard to evade either? ... Alamo's combat history specifically has extremely low Pk... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Force_Feedback Posted February 23, 2006 Posted February 23, 2006 I have yet to see an AI fighter plane on Average that doesn't evade all the AR missiles at 10/15km from you. I fly 4x AIm-7 and 4x aim-9 on the F-15, and R-73 all around on the mig now. :| Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Shepski Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I have yet to see an AI fighter plane on Average that doesn't evade all the AR missiles at 10/15km from you. I fly 4x AIm-7 and 4x aim-9 on the F-15, and R-73 all around on the mig now. :| See this thread... http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=14016 Post #12 for a one shot Slammer BVR kill on the AI.
Hawg11 Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Since the days of Flanker, every upgrade and/or patch has had changes to the missile's effectiveness and flight characteristics. Same goes for aircraft FM, avionics...the list goes on... It would be nice if ED posted the RL values (with sources for those values) they are using, so the end user could compare it to the game's functionality. I submit that using the end user to find disparities in this way would expedite the tweaking process. Dave "Hawg11" St. Jean
Kula66 Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Does anyone think that this "tune up" has gone too far here? semi active missiles should be fooled that easy by chaff decoys??????? Active radar missiles have been fooled this easily since 1.1 ...
ECV 56 Gorrion Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 About Alamo's Combat Record Maybe the real missiles aren't quite that hard to evade either? ... Alamo's combat history specifically has extremely low Pk... Hello GGTharos im search to know about some link that speaks with presición about the record of combat of the R 27. Great Thanks Gorrion
192nd_Erdem Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 If it has "extremely low PK", why do they still promote it with the Su-37, Su-35 etc? Why won't they just put 12 RVV-AE's on it? :) Is Russian Airforce that stupid still including a SARH missile which they can't even produce now, on their airplane ? I don't see marketing reasons there, as they would include R-60 too :)
GGTharos Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Because anything you can sell is more money for you. That they promote this missile doesn't mean anything other than that they want to sell it. Certainly it can't be entirely ineffective, but the ONLY combat record I've seen for it showed extremely low Pk. EXTREMELY. Gorrion, google for Eritrea-Ethiopia war. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Kula66 Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 The Americans promoted the AIM-7 for years ..
GGTharos Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 And its combat record isn't that great, either. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Combat record is just a statistic... and statistics tell you that if you put your left hand in ice cold water and your right hand into steeming hot, your hands are in a pleasurable enviroment Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
ECV 56 Gorrion Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Rgr that Because anything you can sell is more money for you. That they promote this missile doesn't mean anything other than that they want to sell it. Certainly it can't be entirely ineffective, but the ONLY combat record I've seen for it showed extremely low Pk. EXTREMELY. Gorrion, google for Eritrea-Ethiopia war. OK, Thanks for the info GGTharos Gorrion
Yellonet Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I would think that what determines missile effectivness has very little to do with the actual missile, but more with things that determines in what situation the weapon is used, such as tactics, type of target, skill of the pilots and so on. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
GGTharos Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Combat record is just a statistic... and statistics tell you that if you put your left hand in ice cold water and your right hand into steeming hot, your hands are in a pleasurable enviroment You're right. We should use intuition and bragging instead ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
tflash Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 I think it is not realistic to expect to have kills all along at 40 km distance! What about 10nm? That would be a lot more real life I guess. To me, there seems no problem with the ARH missiles performance in the game. There is a very real problem though with the AI: they have supernatural situational awareness. It is this über-SA that most of the time makes it difficult to hit an AI aircraft in BVR. The whole issue with BVR engagement is surprise. If the foe knows the missile is coming from long distance, he should be able to evade it without probs. And since the AI have an godlike view, you will never surprise them. So IMHO AI is the problem, not the missile logic. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
nscode Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 You're right. We should use intuition and bragging instead ;) No.. if you we're buying military technology you wouldn't have a choice anyway :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
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