ajax Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I did a search but didn't find anything relevant to this topic. Has anyone else noticed that the default frequency seems to have a bug now? I am not sure when it actually started happening, maybe in 1.2.7? To be specific, in multiplayer using the default frequency of 124.000 other Ka-50s show up on the ABRIS initially, but then the ABRIS quits updating their positions after about 5 minutes? (Mod, if this is a duplicate thread please delete.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 BadCRC reports the same bug here http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=121142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxJohnxx Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Could be that another helicopter spwans in with the same ID. The Abris doesn't like that and might not show one of the aircraft with the same ID. Check out my YouTube: xxJohnxx Intel i7 6800k watercooled | ASUS Rampage V Edition 10 | 32 GB RAM | Asus GTX1080 watercooled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaD CrC Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Yep. Since 1.2.7 our startup procedure in my squad now includes a systematic change to 125 or 125.5 or whatever frequency different from 124 before datalink check. I am afraid we 'll have to live with this considering the lack of support for BS. https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) I am afraid we 'll have to live with this considering the lack of support for BS. Well, what xxJohnxx said sounds plausible for me and also the manual states: "In a multiplayer mission, it is possible to have multiple data link groups in the mission at the same time; however, each would have to be on a different frequency.". Therefore I would say, it works as designed. edit: hrm ... on the other hand, why doesn't this affect SP play? Edited June 3, 2014 by Flagrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winz Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 hrm ... on the other hand, why doesn't this affect SP play? Wild guess would be because AI is handled differently and doesn't really use datalink ( AFAIK you only see your flight in ABRIS) The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I just flew the first three missions of the Deployment campaign and my wingman was always visible on ABRIS on 124.00MHz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaD CrC Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Therefore I would say, it works as designed. edit: hrm ... on the other hand, why doesn't this affect SP play? Using MP datalink on any VHF2 available frequency has never been an issue since 2009 when BS1 was released. Now suddenly, 5 years later, they deciced to correct this "bug" in the 1.2.7 and made sure that 124.000 Mhz only will not show consistently your wingmen in MP? https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I just flew the first three missions of the Deployment campaign and my wingman was always visible on ABRIS on 124.00MHz. Your own wingmen are visible in SP missions, yes. And one can see that the ABRIS stops updating their positions if you change the frequency of the R-800 radio (and continue to update them once you change the freq. back). But what I meant was, if you throw a mission together with several flights of Ka-50 which all use the same default frequency, you still only see your own flight. The other flights don't interfere at all although they use their datalink at the very same frequency. In MP, this seemingly causes problems. But I guess, winz is right - AI "datalinks" without actually using the radio or caring about the frequencies. AI "cheats" here a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Using MP datalink on any VHF2 available frequency has never been an issue since 2009 when BS1 was released. Now suddenly, 5 years later, they deciced to correct this "bug" in the 1.2.7 and made sure that 124.000 Mhz only will not show consistently your wingmen in MP? Yeah, because they are tired of being accused to not care about BS ... ;o) Nah, seriously, it could be a side effect of some other radio related bux fixing. Every once in a while people complained that they could not use the radio, could not hear something on the radio, etc. Maybe they just fixed this as whole and now radio transmissions are actually transmitted to the clients - which results here now in a more realistic behaviour. But I admit, I am only guessing. But what did you mean with "124 MHz only"? Do you say that the described behaviour only occurs if all MP clients use 124 MHz? And not if everybody would use a different frequency (but which is used by all clients)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaD CrC Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Well yes. Switching on the DL with the default frequency 124.000mhz in MP will not show any of your wingmen on the ABRIS. Occasionaly, in flight, they will appear for a few minutes, then the updates will stop again. So since 1.2.7 my squad is used to push to 125.000 for example for the DL. Since that, we don't have anymore issues with DL on ABRIS. https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Yep. Switch to any other freq and it works like it always did before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Well yes. Switching on the DL with the default frequency 124.000mhz in MP will not show any of your wingmen on the ABRIS. Occasionaly, in flight, they will appear for a few minutes, then the updates will stop again. So since 1.2.7 my squad is used to push to 125.000 for example for the DL. Since that, we don't have anymore issues with DL on ABRIS. Well, yes, then it works for you - as you are on your own "private" frequency then. But what I meant was, what happens if not only you and your squad, but also everyone else in a Ka-50 on the server would switch to the new frequency? I would expect that the problem then would continue. I.e. it is not a problem of the actual frequency as such, but a problem that the same frequency is used by more than one flight of Ka-50. Or did I misinterprete the actual issue here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaD CrC Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Same. We operate 4 ka50 at a time on a given frequency. Most of the time we operate max 8 kamovs. So 125mhz and 126mhz for example. Some Ka50 will occasionaly joined as REC subscribers from time to time to see where the other group is. If they forget to switch to REC, you got the normal behaviour on ABRIS with two blinking aircraft indicating a conflict on the network. So it is working pretty much as it should. Any group willing to work on 124.000 will have its dl network screwed up. The other one (the one not on 124.000) will work normally. Does it answer your question? https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajax Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 I concur with and can confirm everything BadCRC says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karambiatos Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 same A 1000 flights, a 1000 crashes, perfect record. =&arrFilter_pf[gameversion]=&arrFilter_pf[filelang]=&arrFilter_pf[aircraft]=&arrFilter_DATE_CREATE_1_DAYS_TO_BACK=&sort_by_order=TIMESTAMP_X_DESC"] Check out my random mods and things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roob Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Is the ABRIS and radio frequency linked like that IRL too? My DCS stream [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Past broadcasts, Highlights Currently too much to do... But watch and (maybe) learn something :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry if this sounds stupid but do we actually use some method to officially report a bug or just talk about them on the forum and hope a tester writes it down and passes it along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaD CrC Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Erforce (who imo deserves a medal for his pugnacity) has been updated for 2 years now a thread where he patiently listed the bugs on BS, which version is affected, if it is confirmed,etc... But as far as I know, no ED guys ever replied on this thread. Here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94741 https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 So the lesson to learn is to never use the default frequency of 124.000 MHz in MP. Sounds only smart, since otherwise this exact frequency would provoke numerous interferences in MP between too many company flights also using default settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Erforce (who imo deserves a medal for his pugnacity) has been updated for 2 years now a thread where he patiently listed the bugs on BS, which version is affected, if it is confirmed,etc... But as far as I know, no ED guys ever replied on this thread. Here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94741 Ok so there's no other official method and we are completely dependent on tester's vigilance? Not that I don't trust them but it's not clear if anyone is actually reporting them forward. It would be nice to always have a list of who is responsible of what modules so we could discuss with them directly instead of hoping that someone would participate in the discussion and acknowledge the bugs. I'm aware of Erforce's efforts and totally agree with the medal. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karambiatos Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I think as long as there is a track of the issue, it is most definitely reported, the rest is ED. A 1000 flights, a 1000 crashes, perfect record. =&arrFilter_pf[gameversion]=&arrFilter_pf[filelang]=&arrFilter_pf[aircraft]=&arrFilter_DATE_CREATE_1_DAYS_TO_BACK=&sort_by_order=TIMESTAMP_X_DESC"] Check out my random mods and things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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