Finally Got FC Have Some Questions...

[Colt40Five]

1. Prior to ground locking the targeting pod (day or night) in Su-25T the TDC slew is smooth in both axes, meaning I can hold down the hat and it pans continually. After ground locking, the horizontal slew is still smooth, but vertical TDC slew requires muliple key presses and still moves too slow, makes follow up shots on one pass impossible. Is this how it should be?

 

2. Tried some TV bombs on a building. Set target size to max, locked up building got authorization, pickled two off while in wings level flight, both misses. Must have tried this 6 times. All misses and not the same miss every time. I tried both types of TV bombs. Got pissed and loaded up TV missles, targeted and locked same as above got authorization, fired and both missles go WAY off to the right and blow up in the air....I thought these were fire and forget what am I doing wrong?

 

3. Loaded up a Su-33 mission and tried to refuel...obviously the script that used to take over when you connected is no longer there. Which would be fine if the auto-throttle worked as precisely as it used to. Which it doesn't. It was impossible for me to maintain contact speed after hook-up.

 

Now I can refuel in F4AF, which I would say is orders of magnitude harder than LO, but the throttle in LO just doesn't seem to be capable of maintaining a speed, either you're accelerating or decelerating. It's like the throttle just doesn't have fine enough response or something. Which is why I assume they have auto-throttle...just doesn't seem to work now. I hit it when the speed I want is displayed and it goes back up or down depending on which way you were going at the time....Any ideas/tips for the new modelling?

 

Any help appreciated!

[GGTharos]

1. Prior to ground locking the targeting pod (day or night) in Su-25T the TDC slew is smooth in both axes, meaning I can hold down the hat and it pans continually. After ground locking, the horizontal slew is still smooth, but vertical TDC slew requires muliple key presses and still moves too slow, makes follow up shots on one pass impossible. Is this how it should be?

 

2. Tried some TV bombs on a building. Set target size to max, locked up building got authorization, pickled two off while in wings level flight, both misses. Must have tried this 6 times. All misses and not the same miss every time. I tried both types of TV bombs. Got pissed and loaded up TV missles, targeted and locked same as above got authorization, fired and both missles go WAY off to the right and blow up in the air....I thought these were fire and forget what am I doing wrong?

 

I don't fly the 25T much at all but ... maybe those are bugs? Got a track? :)

 

3. Loaded up a Su-33 mission and tried to refuel...obviously the script that used to take over when you connected is no longer there. Which would be fine if the auto-throttle worked as precisely as it used to. Which it doesn't. It was impossible for me to maintain contact speed after hook-up.

 

Now I can refuel in F4AF, which I would say is orders of magnitude harder than LO, but the throttle in LO just doesn't seem to be capable of maintaining a speed, either you're accelerating or decelerating. It's like the throttle just doesn't have fine enough response or something. Which is why I assume they have auto-throttle...just doesn't seem to work now. I hit it when the speed I want is displayed and it goes back up or down depending on which way you were going at the time....Any ideas/tips for the new modelling?

 

Any help appreciated!

 

Practice. Others do it ;) I think it's more realistic this way too, from what I've heard at least.

[SUBS17]

You have to increase your joystick range to get better sensitivity for formation flying. By default its 400, set it on 3000 and I find you get better smoothness with the throttle. It also depends on what type of HOTAS you are using.

Lock On/Config/joyrange.cfg use wordpad and change to 3000

Lock On/Config/producer.cfg. ForceFeedbackEnabled = True, change to False.

As for your missiles they shouldn't explode in the air unless something like a SAM is shooting them down. Set your missile effectiveness slider to 100% until you're able to hit targets.

[Sleek]

same as GG i don't fly the 25T but there are many here that do..and they will advise ya buddy ;)...

[Colt40Five]

thanks guys I'll try out the joy range thing. My problem isn't staying in formation pre or post contact it's throttle adjustment. In 1.02 the auto-throttle would hold at whatever speed i hit it at, now it seems to vary a few km/h after engaging. hopefully that adjustment will give me more subtle throttle control, and I can dispense with auto-throttle altogether! I'm using X-52 BTW.

 

And as for the Tv missles I used them on hummers with no problems, but when I tried to use them on a building they flew off crazy and self-detonated. Only unit in that mission was myself!

[GGTharos]

Crazy missiles ... ok, that makes little sense since these are -meant- to be demolition weapons.

 

Anyone who can check that out here? 504 guys?

[Ironhand]

2. Tried some TV bombs on a building. Set target size to max, locked up building got authorization, pickled two off while in wings level flight, both misses. Must have tried this 6 times. All misses and not the same miss every time. I tried both types of TV bombs. Got pissed and loaded up TV missles, targeted and locked same as above got authorization, fired and both missles go WAY off to the right and blow up in the air....I thought these were fire and forget what am I doing wrong?

I just answered this one--or rather questioned this one--on the other forum but I'll ask you this here, too. Are you certain the building (or whatever target) is locked? The "KC" in the TV display has changed to "AC"? If not, that's the problem. You have ground stabilized but the target is not locked. I don't recall ever missing with a locked KAB (TV guided bomb) or Kh-25T (TV guided missile).

 

EDITED TO ADD:

...It's like the throttle just doesn't have fine enough response or something. Which is why I assume they have auto-throttle...just doesn't seem to work now. I hit it when the speed I want is displayed and it goes back up or down depending on which way you were going at the time....Any ideas/tips for the new modelling?

Haven't tried tanking using autothrottle, but in normal flight it works fine. My speed locks wherever it is when I engage it. That's not much help, I know. But it does mean that it works as it always has. Ummm....are you pressing the "J" key on the keyboard? Or do you have it assigned to a flightstick button? I ask because your slewing issue is also joystick related.

 

Rich

[Colt40Five]

yes I have AC and the target box changes to the exact size of the building. I'll do some more testing tonight when i get home, maybe record a track or three

[Colt40Five]

2 1.12a tracks

http://www.easy-sharing.com/283685/Tracks.rar.html

 

yup have J mapped to hotas button. the slewing issue only occurs after ground stabilization in 25T, cursor in other A/C is as it should be which makes me doubt it's a controller issue....

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

have you made sure the laser is armed and on ? as missiles that are locked but dont have laser on will blow up in the air, and others will miss there target if the laser heats up and goes off.

 

the laser isnt needed for tv guided missiles n bombs tho, cant say the missiles have missed for me, but at times i may have not been at best launch parameters and that has maybe made the missiles not go exactly where you want it to, the bombs, well they should always hit if you have did everything right.

[Ironhand]

2 1.12a tracks

http://www.easy-sharing.com/283685/Tracks.rar.html

Ummm...you're trying to use TV-guided munitions at night? As you've noticed, that doesn't work too well. :) That's why there are no stock weapon loads combining the Mercury Low Light TV pod with TV-guided munitions.

 

...yup have J mapped to hotas button...

And so...what happens if you press the "J" key instead of your hotas button? As for the slewing issues, have you tried mapping the hatswitch a second time (are we talking about a hat switch?)?

 

Rich

[Colt40Five]

I knew I had to be missing something monumental there thanks! So I take it there are no precison guided bombs that work at night with 25T?

 

And setting my joyrange to 3000 worked awesomely!!! both my stick and my throttle provide much finer control than ever before!!!

 

Now if i could just iron out my TDC slew issue after ground lock I'd have no more issues!!

[Ironhand]

I knew I had to be missing something monumental there thanks! So I take it there are no precison guided bombs that work at night with 25T?

Glad the bomb/missile issue got sorted out so easily. Precision guided bombs for the -25T? No. Laser-guided missiles. Yes.

 

Rich

[Shepski]

I knew I had to be missing something monumental there thanks! So I take it there are no precison guided bombs that work at night with 25T?

 

And setting my joyrange to 3000 worked awesomely!!! both my stick and my throttle provide much finer control than ever before!!!

 

Now if i could just iron out my TDC slew issue after ground lock I'd have no more issues!!

 

Great help guys!!

 

Do you have a rotary dial on your HOTAS assigned to the radar elevation axis? If you do you want to make sure it is centered and not rotated when slewing the air to ground pipper.

[Colt40Five]

With the help of you fine gentlemen I have ironed out all my issues!

turns out my TDC slew problem WAS USER ERROR...lol for some reason slew up was programmed in as a single key macro...so no matter how long you hold it down it only runs once...simple to change it to the keystroke it should have been...now it's smooth as butta...just like my TV guided munitions issue...the only problem was me!

 

I've been waxing Hawk sites for the last hour fun fun fun! I have learned the necessity of the "double tap" with the PR missile..as the first one always gets shot down by a hawk!

 

Seems the Russians are lacking some night-time goodness with the lack of night capabale PGM's...are there any in service that just aren't in FC, or any under development?

 

Anyway thanks again!

[GGTharos]

The Su-25T isn't able to employ laser-guided bombs due to the Shval's angular limitations.

 

I don't know if there are any night-time TV guided PGM's.

[Colt40Five]

slap some nightvison goggles on the KAB's and off we go!!! lol

[Colt40Five]

Yeah I decided I'd see if SF blew up my machine....and guess what it didn't....I can still burn anything I want...and now I can also burn capitalist pigs with the might of the Russian people! :)

[Shepski]

I can still burn anything I want...and now I can also burn capitalist pigs with the might of the Russian people! :)

 

ROFL!!

 

:beer:

[Prophet_169th]

The KAB doesn't work worth squat at night or dusk.

 

Use the Mercury LLTV pod.

[rlogue]

Yeah I decided I'd see if SF blew up my machine....and guess what it didn't....I can still burn anything I want...and now I can also burn capitalist pigs with the might of the Russian people! :)

 

I'm a capitalist pig and I don't get it ... please explain ....

[GGTharos]

That burning smell? It's your rear end ;)

[Shepski]

Use the Mercury LLTV pod.

 

He was using it to get the intial acquistion of the target but once the bomb is released it has to use it's own optical seeker and because it can't see in the dark if flys a purely ballistic tragectory rather then guiding in on the target.

[Colt40Five]

Prophet, look at the tracks i posted earlier in this thread. I used Mercury pod and TV weaps at night with horrendous results. Are you telling me there's a way to get them to work at night?

 

rlogue, I too am a capitalist pig...just trying to get into the spirit of a fictional Russian mindset that only exists in my mind... :) Don't take it seriously!

[SUBS17]

Good to see you finally saw the light and got FC Colt40Five:D