What is the difference between Scan and TWS radar modes?

[Ironhand]

I was going to toss in my 2 cents until I realized that GrEaSeLiTeNiN's response was to a post that was nearly 2 years old. :)

[holimoli]

haha..i just realized..haha

[DarkFire]

Oops! That'll teach me to read the dates on original posts :music_whistling:

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

LoL, yeah.... I was looking for an answer to my own question on TWS Dual Mode in the MiG-29S. Just hit the TWS key command twice to get TWS2!

[JunMcKill]

This is from the real SU-27SK which is the export version of the SU-27S simulated in DCS, at least will give you an idea of what are the numbers

 

 

Fig. 39. Information on IPV of the commander aircraft for a combined group.

 

1 - Target with line of height and velocity vector transmitted from the slave unit commander or the commander of the combined group (unidentified).

2 - Number of target.

3 - Number of aircraft, from which came the target.

4 - Type of identification (own radar or datalink).

5 - Target passed with NASU (datalink).

6 - Number target ID.

7 - Targets with height and velocity vector lines, followed by radar.

8 - Number of target.

9 - Number of aircraft from which this objective is passed.

10 - Own aircraft (the commander of the combined group) with a number.

11 - Aircrafts, led by the commander of the own combined group.

12 - Links to groups of aircrafts with the group number (qty in circles).

13 - Number of ranking with the degree of danger.

14 - The target assigned to attack.

15 - Scale.

16 - Range for the fuel supply.

Edited August 18, 2016 by JunMcKill

[JunMcKill]

This one is more similar to the one of DCS datalink

 

 

Fig. 41. Information on IPV own aircraft.

 

1 - The target with height and the velocity vector lines transmitted from a member of the group (unidentified).

2 - Number of target.

3 - Target with the height and velocity vector lines (identified).

4 - Number of the identification of the target.

5 - Target received by radar.

6 - Number of Target.

7 - Number of aircraft of the group, who engage the target.

8 - The wingman id number.

9 - Leader id number.

10 - Other members with their id numbers.

11 - target id ranking order by the degree of danger.

12 - The target assigned to attack.

13 - Scale.

14 - Range for the fuel supply.

Edited August 17, 2016 by JunMcKill

[GGTharos]

Unfortunately there are some things missing and or confusing when it comes to the translation ... eg. look at #1.

 

It might give you the impression that it uses one symbol to represent multiple targets. Also, where's the height displayed?

[JunMcKill]

Unfortunately there are some things missing and or confusing when it comes to the translation ... eg. look at #1.

 

It might give you the impression that it uses one symbol to represent multiple targets. Also, where's the height displayed?

 

The height is the transverse line, like in DCS, is not a number. And you are right, the second graph is more similar to DCS, the first one is for the commander of the group and receive via datalink the info of the other groups (not visibles in radar) and the info of his own group and targets

Edited August 17, 2016 by JunMcKill

[Ironhand]

This one is more similar to the one of DCS datalink

 

 

Fig. 41. Information on IPV own aircraft.

 

1 - The target with height and the velocity vector lines transmitted from a member of the group (unidentified).

2 - Number of targets.

3 - Target with the height and velocity vector lines (identified).

4 - Number of the identification of the target.

5 - Target received by radar.

6 - Number of Target.

7 - Number of aircraft of the group, who engage the target.

8 - The wingman id number.

9 - Leader id number.

10 - Other members with their id numbers.

11 - target id ranking order by the degree of danger.

12 - The target assigned to attack.

13 - Scale.

14 - Range for the fuel supply.

Unless I'm remembering wrong, aren't #s 6 & 7 reversed in DCS? This diagram makes sense because, if you imagine yourself sitting in the cockpit of any aircraft depicted in that diagram, the aircraft ID # is to the left. Your flight's IDs are all to the left, as are the enemy aircraft IDs. It's the tracking aircraft's ID that, then, appears to the right (again as you sit in the cockpit). But I believe DCS does it backwards for the approaching aircraft.

 

I could be wrong...and thinking about this is giving me a headache...

[JunMcKill]

Unless I'm remembering wrong, aren't #s 6 & 7 reversed in DCS? This diagram makes sense because, if you imagine yourself sitting in the cockpit of any aircraft depicted in that diagram, the aircraft ID # is to the left. Your flight's IDs are all to the left, as are the enemy aircraft IDs. It's the tracking aircraft's ID that, then, appears to the right (again as you sit in the cockpit). But I believe DCS does it backwards for the approaching aircraft.

 

I could be wrong...and thinking about this is giving me a headache...

 

If I recall, the #7 is not simulated in DCS, you only have the id number of the aircraft (#2), but not who attacks whom. In the case of the commanding aircraft HDD mode, there is a third number (above the target) and show who in your group is detecting it.

 

I hope that ED makes the fully clickable SU-27SK one day (or another more modern), with the online info, and the SU-27 PFM already tested in FC3

Edited August 17, 2016 by JunMcKill

[Ironhand]

If I recall, the #7 is not simulated in DCS, you only have the id number of the aircraft (#2), but not who attacks whom. In the case of the commanding aircraft HDD mode, there is a third number (above the target) and show who in your group is detecting it.

 

I hope that ED makes the fully clickable SU-27SK one day (or another more modern), with the online info, and the SU-27 PFM already tested in FC3

Unless it's been changed over the last few months--the last time I've flown combat--you can tell who in your flight is targeting whom. I was working on an Su-27 radar tutorial at the time (which remains uncompleted) and was surprised by amount of the HDD information I had never noticed.

 

EDIT: I forgot I had tucked this short clip up on my site while testing for video clarity. This is pre-voiceover and only 3 1/2 minutes of what would have been a much longer tutorial. In DCS, the # of the tracking (data linking) aircraft is shown up near the target's tail (or seems to be), and the attacking aircraft # is shown on the side opposite the target #. #4 is attacking the near target, while I assign #3 the target behind it which he attacks:

 

 

 

Rich

Edited August 17, 2016 by Ironhand

[JunMcKill]

Unless it's been changed over the last few months--the last time I've flown combat--you can tell who in your flight is targeting whom. I was working on an Su-27 radar tutorial at the time (which remains uncompleted) and was surprised by amount of the HDD information I had never noticed.

 

EDIT: I forgot I had tucked this short clip up on my site while testing for video clarity. This is pre-voiceover and only 3 1/2 minutes of what would have been a much longer tutorial. In DCS, the # of the tracking (data linking) aircraft is shown up near the target's tail (or seems to be), and the attacking aircraft # is shown on the side opposite the target #. #4 is attacking the near target, while I assign #3 the target behind it which he attacks:

 

 

Rich

 

Oops! yes is working like the graph above, looks like I have been a while out of SP! :thumbup: the problem is that in MP you can't assign who is flying with you like in Ka-50, and do not see the upper and right number in the HDD!

 

But looking your video notice that you are right, the ID numbers are in the right side while should be in the left. The #7 in the graph (4 in video) is ok but should be below the transverse line at the right, its wrong when is passed to the left side of the symbol when order to attach, and the number above the symbol is OK

 

Here is the original in russian, maybe someone can tell if the translation is ok, but looking the graphs, I think we are right

 

Рис. 39. Информация на ИПВ самолета командира объединенной группы.

 

1 – Цель с линией высоты и вектором скорости, переданная от командира звена или ведомого командиру объединенной группы (неотождествленная).

2 – Номер цели.

3 – Номер самолета, от которого пришла цель.

4 – Цель отождествленная.

5 – Цель, переданная с НАСУ.

6 – Номер отождествленной цели.

7 – Цели с линией высоты и вектором скорости, сопровождаемые РЛС.

8 – Номер цели.

9 – Номер самолета, которому передана данная цель.

10 – Свой самолет (командир объединенной группы) с номером.

11 – Самолеты, ведомые командиром объединенной группы.

12 – Самолеты ведущих звеньев с номерами и количеством самолетов в звеньях (числа в кружках).

13 – Ряд ранжировки целей по степени опасности.

14 – Цель, назначенная на атаку.

15 – Масштаб.

16 – Дальность полета по запасу топлива.

 

 

Рис. 41. Информация на ИПВ самолета ведомого.

 

1 – Цель с линией высоты и вектором скорости, переданная от ведущего звена (неотождествленная).

2 – Номер цели.

3 – Цель с линией высоты и вектором скорости (отождествленная).

4 – Номер отождествленной цели.

5 – Цель, сопровождаемая РЛС.

6 – Номер цели.

7 – Номер самолета ведущего звена, которому передана цель.

8 – Свой самолет с номером.

9 – Ведущий звена с номером.

10 – Ведомые звена с номерами.

11 – Ряд ранжировки целей по степени опасности.

12 – Цель, назначенная на атаку.

13 – Масштаб.

14 – Дальность полета по запасу топлива.

Edited August 17, 2016 by JunMcKill
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[Frostie]

Oops! yes is working like the graph above, looks like I have been a while out of SP! :thumbup: the problem is that in MP you can't assign who is flying with you like in Ka-50, and do not see the upper and right number in the HDD!

ED made it possible in a recent patch to assign up to 4 players in one flight in the ME just like setting a player with 3 AI. Unfortunately the link does not work between players, it only works for 1 player and only with any AI in that flight. Apparently ED are not interested in fixing this.

[JunMcKill]

ED made it possible in a recent patch to assign up to 4 players in one flight in the ME just like setting a player with 3 AI. Unfortunately the link does not work between players, it only works for 1 player and only with any AI in that flight. Apparently ED are not interested in fixing this.

 

I think it should be reported and fixed, in the end, the datalink capability is part of the FC3 russian aircrafts, and will be needed in future not only for russians but for US aircrafts either

Edited August 17, 2016 by JunMcKill

[ShuRugal]

I was going to toss in my 2 cents until I realized that GrEaSeLiTeNiN's response was to a post that was nearly 2 years old. :)

 

same.

[Ironhand]

...The #7 in the graph (4 in video) is ok but should be below the transverse line at the right, its wrong when is passed to the left side of the symbol when order to attach, and the number above the symbol is OK..

The manual's diagrams don't indicate that any number should appear in an upper corner of the contact (as you note) but that might not mean that it isn't the case. OTOH, the right-left position of the contact and unit numbers does seem to be reversed in the sim.

 

But, like I said, until I started paying close attention while working on the tutorial, I didn't realize just how much info was being presented on the HDD--in single player, that is.

 

same.

As you can see, I ended up tossing my hat into the ring, anyway... :)

[JunMcKill]

The manual's diagrams don't indicate that any number should appear in an upper corner of the contact (as you note) but that might not mean that it isn't the case. OTOH, the right-left position of the contact and unit numbers does seem to be reversed in the sim.

 

But, like I said, until I started paying close attention while working on the tutorial, I didn't realize just how much info was being presented on the HDD--in single player, that is.

 

 

As you can see, I ended up tossing my hat into the ring, anyway... :)

 

The problem is that the id numbers in the video are on the left side of the symbol based in their heading, and thats wrong AFAIK, when you see the original graphs, the id numbers should appear at the left side of the symbol doesn't matter the heading of the aircraft, but maybe in the real SU-27S is like the video, and the SK version is different

Edited August 18, 2016 by JunMcKill

[Ironhand]

The problem is that the id numbers in the video are on the left side of the symbol based in their heading, and thats wrong AFAIK, when you see the original graphs, the id numbers should appear at the left side of the symbol doesn't matter the heading of the aircraft...

Yes, that's what I've been saying. If you imagine yourself in the cockpit of any aircraft being indicated on the HDD, the aircraft ID number should be off your left shoulder regardless of it's orientation on the scope--at least according to that manual. In the sim, only you and your flight have the number placed correctly.