Animalmother Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 SR71-You know you'd fly one of these in a heartbeat. F22-Aerial dominance for perhaps the next 100 years. F117-The thing that will be responsible for making people think the USAF is capable of anything. yea, Im a tech whore. I like the nostalgic 60s type jets, but now is now and these are the jets of "our" time. (ok so these were developed in the 70s/80s, no nitpicking)
Guest IguanaKing Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 The SR-71 was developed in the 50's, actually. OK...done nitpicking. ;)
Mizzy Posted April 8, 2006 Author Posted April 8, 2006 Well technically speaking, the SR71 came out of the jet age so it could be argued this was in the 1930s..... technically speaking. Nitpicking done :D Mizzy
nscode Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Technically speaking, this peace of f-117 i'v got is capable of anything.. you can eat from it, you can throw it like a frisbee, you can use it as a cymbal on your drum kit, you can put it under your fridge to level it.. Nitpicking done :D ;) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Kula66 Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Well, F-14 ... I remember Top Gun when it first came out - and it is just sooooo good! Sea Harrier FSR1 ... the last great English fighter. Mig 25 Foxbat ... because its big, fast and scared the .... out of the Amercians and led them to develop the F-15! Shame it had valve technolgy radar and very limited range a full speed.
Pilotasso Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Well, F-14 ... I remember Top Gun when it first came out - and it is just sooooo good! Sea Harrier FSR1 ... the last great English fighter. Mig 25 Foxbat ... because its big, fast and scared the .... out of the Amercians and led them to develop the F-15! Shame it had valve technolgy radar and very limited range a full speed. It was the base for the Mig-31 wich is what the 25 was meant to be in many ways. IMHO the most potent AA BVR asset the russian STILL have. .
Kula66 Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Agreed, the 31 is a great a/c ... But the 25 is a launch, climb as fast as you can and intercept ... primarily against various Mach 3 threats developed by the US, whereas the 31 is more classic CAP to cover that huge Northern boarder ... against low alt cruise missiles and B-1s ... different emphasis
Guest IguanaKing Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Is the MiG-31s airframe still largely composed of nickel steel like the MiG-25 was? Many of the first SR-71s, BTW, were built largely of Titanium that came from....the USSR.
Force_Feedback Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Is the MiG-31s airframe still largely composed of nickel steel like the MiG-25 was? Many of the first SR-71s, BTW, were built largely of Titanium that came from....the USSR. No, the mig-31 has a very large percentage of titanium in it, mostly structual components, and, if I recall correctly, the leading surfaces. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Mizzy Posted April 8, 2006 Author Posted April 8, 2006 Titanium.... VERY expensive!! While we are on with the Mig 31, where is the screenshots of the new model Olgerd????? :) Mizzy
Guest IguanaKing Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Titanium.... VERY expensive!! While we are on with the Mig 31, where is the screenshots of the new model Olgerd????? :) Mizzy Not if you steal it, like the CIA did for the first SR-71s. ;)
Pilotasso Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Agreed, the 31 is a great a/c ... But the 25 is a launch, climb as fast as you can and intercept ... primarily against various Mach 3 threats developed by the US, whereas the 31 is more classic CAP to cover that huge Northern boarder ... against low alt cruise missiles and B-1s ... different emphasis Actualy the Mig-25 tried several times to intercept SR-71's but they never get even anywhere close, and Im not surpised frankly. You see, in order to perform an intecept, the fighter must be MUCH faster than the intruder. Otherwise you get a chase where the enemy has enough lead to react and escape. Worse: the SR-71 was actualy 300 miles/h faster, and the mig was much shorter ranged. There was a sad story where an airliner, mistakened by an US Jstars was intercepted but only at the 3rd atempt because the first fighters Mig-23's could not get an aprox rate fast enough before runing out of fuel, so they used Flaggons from another base and had the intercept donne from another aspect angle. You can easely be decieved by the target planes speed into beleiving they can be intercepted easely. If chased from rear even a supersonic fighter will have problems. .
Guest IguanaKing Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 ...and...the SR-71 had an endurance at that speed of MUCH longer than 7 minutes. ;)
Kula66 Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Actualy the Mig-25 tried several times to intercept SR-71's but they never get even anywhere close, and Im not surpised frankly. I read an article recently that said the 25 intercepted the 71 in the Baltic numerous times ... reached a point x' below and y miles behind and then broke off the intercept. Happened often enough that it was assumed this was a firing solution ...
Guest IguanaKing Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 ...or maybe that the MiG-25 was Bingo fuel?
Pilotasso Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 They would have shot it down the same way the U-2 was in 1961, wich indicates the Migs werent within firing parameters. The missiles they had alse werent as long range and initialy thought. .
Kula66 Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 I'll try and dig out the article guys ... but I think the intercept was calculated to leave the 25 to land on fumes ... and need an engine change :)
nscode Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 But it's a spy plane... chasing it away is good enough. Shooting it down is just a bonus becouse you get a nice little pilot that you can trade for your captured agents :D and need an engine change yes.. a major engine repair was needed when going all the way to mach 3 Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Guest IguanaKing Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 SR-71 pilots saw most intercept attempts as little more than a nuisance, including numerous SAM launches. The cameras and SAR on that baby could actually photograph the individual dimples on a golf ball 1000 miles away from the Blackbird's track. But if an interceptor could force him just a little bit off course, it still might cause problems...since it required the area of 3 US states to make a 180 degree course change in the SR-71. Yes...the MiG-25 could get close to its speed, but only for about 7 minutes before the Foxbat driver had to go home, or hit the silk.
Pilotasso Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 An US pilot picking up soap bars in a russian jails mens room would be a publicity stunt the URSS would love to do as many times as possible and I dont think they just let the Blackbids escape like that because they would be more confident to trespass again. .
Guest IguanaKing Posted April 8, 2006 Posted April 8, 2006 Sorry Mizzy...we've completely derailed your topic. :redface:
plug pray Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 An US pilot picking up soap bars in a russian jails mens room would be a publicity stunt the URSS would love to do as many times as possible and I dont think they just let the Blackbids escape like that because they would be more confident to trespass again. Dont worry for him... his ass 'd be safe. He would have had to sit in a solitary cell.))
Mizzy Posted April 9, 2006 Author Posted April 9, 2006 Sorry Mizzy...we've completely derailed your topic. :redface: Oh don't worry about that, its interesting to talk about the SR71. Tremendous advances were made in such a short timeframe. I mean sixty years previous, the main mode of transport was the horse and cart, who would have dreamed that there would be a mach 3 jet in the very near future. WWI & WWII advanced the human race by an estimated 200 years, meaning without their happening, the horse and cart would have been around a lot longer, shudder the thought! Mizzy :)
51GRIZZLY Posted April 9, 2006 Posted April 9, 2006 OK ... Back to topic: US PLANES : F-4 Phantom II: Big ugly and enormously versatile F- 104 Starfighter: one of the most beautyfull fighters ever built F-8 Vought Crusader: Just love that shark snout :) RUSSIAN PLANES : SU 27 Flanker : THE most beautyfull fighter ever made MIG 29 : Fast and furious on short legs MIG 21 : One of the great post war fighters UK PLANES: Electric Lightning: One of the fastest interceptors ever made HS Bucaneer : Great fighter-bomber and allso a real beauty Harrier: The only STOVL in the world allso enormously versatile
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