Mission 3: End of Grad

[kontiuka]

What is the win criteria for this mission? That all the Su-25s return safely to base? If so, big problem. The Su-25s do that thing where they line up in pairs for landing and then at the last minute, they abort. I watched them do that about 5 times before I gave up in frustration.

 

I believe all other goals of the mission were met.

[Deus-Olympus]

Same for me, i try 3 times this mission.

[rami80]

You have to escort the Su-25 back to base as well.

[AceRevo]

Have you tried without interupting their flight? When an AI lands, flying in front of him or close by him, or even just flying above the airfield a bit low kinda, will interupt their flight..

[Dr_Arrow]

Have you tried without interupting their flight? When an AI lands, flying in front of him or close by him, or even just flying above the airfield a bit low kinda, will interupt their flight..

 

This is not a problem, there is a long standing landing AI BUG, they abort landing just before touchdown and then either crash, go under earth or repeating until running out of fuel (sometimes landing). For some planes it is better and they are able to land after few attempts, but Su-25s are particularly bad and are only seldom able to land, usually going under earth. I've messed with all kinds of waypoint settings, fuel settings, skill settings, even messed with lua files but haven't been able to solve it :(.

[Hoggorm]

I have the same problem with this mission. The four Su-25 just circle and abort their landings again and again...

[AceRevo]

Try to make a mission with one AI inbound to land and you will see how he can do it on his own and how easy it is to interupt their flight. My guess is that theyre interupting eachother? Once interupted they will circle around to try again but Ive never tried with two AI's landing together so Im pretty much as clueless as you guys :)

[harm_]

I had to run the mission twice to complete.

The problem that I had in the first run was that both Su25 flights, conflicted each other in their final approach, so they forced each other to go around endlessly.

 

The second time I didn't have that problem, I flew in the wing of the lead flight until they started their turn into approach.

 

Note: It is also important that you fly the return flight close to the planned route in order to receive the RTB order from CC.

[redterror]

I had this same problem as well. Hopefully on my next attempt they land instead of going underground.

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

They need to issue a fix for this mission.

 

I complete 2 times now and I get RTB order without escorting em back (which why do they need an escort back to begin with) you escort them into hostile territory I understand but you shouldn't have to wait for them to return (they destroyed their targets so mission complete)

 

Track file showing the mission was complete success and should not be rated 50.

 

Wouldn't let me upload the ACMI for tacview though.

50 result sortie 3b.trk

Edited January 25, 2015 by =LFC=Chameleon_Silk

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

or you could view this video of the ACMI: http://www.twitch.tv/land_force/c/5959892

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

ran it again, impossible to complete the su-25 flight gets in its own way and refuses to land.

 

feel like making yakkity sax video however after flying this mission 4 times now its getting old very quickly, there has to be a fix for the score on this mission or an AI fix (just fix it so we can pass it please)

 

10 dollar campaign for 20 missions but I can't get past mission 3 because of AI issue, ok, so I do find it funny a bit... the campaign perhaps could have been tested a bit more (hey I'd have tested it for free and still bought the thing) :pilotfly:

 

check it out, and play some yakkity sax on youtube same time:

 

http://www.twitch.tv/land_force/c/5961505

[BeachAV8R]

Right, but did you fly in formation with them on the second try? If the AI landing bug prevented them from landing, but you didn't change your behavior to fly with them to the final approach fix, then you haven't helped identify where the problem is. The AI landing bug is certainly there, but that might not be the problem with the mission - the problem is more likely that the briefing or in-mission text isn't specific enough that you have to fly on their wing all the way to very close to the airport.

 

You've said you haven't escorted them back to their base because they are in friendly territory and what is the purpose of that - but that is a personal philosophical take on the mission, and not perhaps what the mission designer intended. But it needs to be made more explicit that you must escort them (as in close formation fly) with them back to their base before you can get the release.

 

My suggestion is for them to change the trigger to be just when the Su-25 arrive within say 5KM of their base because it seems like there are dual triggers (arrive near base AND your unit must be in the moving zone around the Su-25 perhaps?).

 

That is the one thing with mission designs in that you can't always predict how any one user is going to fly the mission and you have to encompass all of that in how you build the mission, and more importantly, how you brief the mission because if you have tight triggers or very explicit triggers, you may need to emphasize things in the briefing or in the in-game communications even more clearly than perhaps you would otherwise think.

 

Glad you mention it here so they can address it. But give the mission a shot again and fly the wing all the way to the airport (even if you don't think you should have to because you are in friendly territory) and then report back if you get the mission advance part. Because THAT might be the problem, and not the AI landing bug (which is a problem that needs to be fixed, but might not be the problem preventing the mission from advancing).

 

Hope that makes sense...

 

BeachAV8R

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

I will run my track and take control when the su-25s are done bombing and escort em all the way back, but this will be 6th time doing this mission at this point I don't want to run the thing again lol

 

keep in mind I am escorting them perfectly in and getting a message to RTB, which would imply that my sortie has been completed.... so even if this is the fix the wording most definetly needs to be changed to escort them back.

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

Solution found:

 

Escort them to beslan after getting the RTB message which leads to another trigger firing that says for you to then RTB to Mozdok, so the issue is with it not telling you to escort them back to Beslan.

 

 

thanks for the Help BeachAV8R, cheers.

[redterror]

Solution found:

 

Escort them to beslan after getting the RTB message which leads to another trigger firing that says for you to then RTB to Mozdok, so the issue is with it not telling you to escort them back to Beslan.

 

 

Yep, this got me too. When I got the RTB call over the target area I assumed that meant I should ... RTB. If the instructions said "make sure the Su-25s make it home safely" or something, then I'd have known what to do. Well, maybe, hindsight and all...

[BeachAV8R]

Yes, the wording needs to be more explicit. I would have definitely not hit the trigger except I was dorking around flying formation and messing with the helmet site trying to get refreshed on how to lock targets. So it was only by sheer luck that I stayed with them in formation long enough to get the trigger message. It should be adjusted.

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

in later missions it is more clear that they want you to escort the aircraft all the way back, sounds like it was just a small (but yet annoying) oversight of the text.

[Shepski]

Anyone finish the A-50 escort mission? After being released from escort duty I was told to Rtb. I did not get the usual order to contact the approach controller and after LA ding did not get the "mission successful" message and now have to rely it.

[Johnny Dioxin]

I haven't got this campaign or flown the Su-27 in a long time, but on the question of why they need escorting back after the mission, generally that would be because when a strike sortie is carried out, enemy aircraft are called in to intercept them.

 

Those fighters are not going to turn back just because your attacking flight has completed it's strike mission. Your colleagues are in danger of 'retribution' right up to landing at their home base, when the responsibilty for their protection carries over to the base air defences.

 

That would be why you would need to escort them back to safety. Standard procedure.

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

the issue is that it tells you to RTB without saying to escort them anywhere in briefing or dialogue, so if you follow orders you fail the mission, you have to not RTB and wait for strike package to come and finish then be near them when they are about to land to get the trigger.

 

I fully understand why they would want escort back its just the mission does not tell you that you are supposed to do that, it says for you to RTB prematurely only to tell you to RTB later as well.

[Johnny Dioxin]

Roger :thumbup:

[feefifofum]

I haven't dug around in the triggers, but it sounds like the success criteria may tie in with flying out in formation with the lead Su-25.

 

I was able to complete this mission on the first try with no issue; I linked up with the Su-25Ts as they were completing their attack after destroying the predator drone and fighters, then followed the 25Ts in to the airport and got a "thanks for the escort etc." series of radio messages when we were approaching the airport. I didn't have to wait for them to land (thank god) and returned to Mozdok at that point.

 

As I recall, they do tell you to escort the 25Ts on the way out, in the message following the first "RTB" order. Otherwise I doubt I'd have waited for those slowpokes, as I still had a ton of fuel to waste. :lol:

[redterror]

@feefifofum - they do *not* tell you to escort them on the way back. They tell you to RTB. You're right about the triggers / win condition - those require you to escort them out. That discrepancy is the problem.

[feefifofum]

Heh must have been my Mission Editor instincts kicking in then.

 

I swear I recollect hearing something to that effect, but it's entirely possible that I'm remembering incorrectly. I've only done one playthrough of the mission.