The Ka-50 Black Shark thread

[Pilotasso]

This has been asked rare times and never quite answered but will be there more than 1 faction using Ka-50's?

 

It could drive all players to one side online otherwise.

[GGTharos]

I think something is beeing looked into for this, but unfortunately I don't have a clear answer to give you.

[Weta43]

Just another call for (a request already made by many others) airfields to be assignable to a coalition.

 

Just flew a LMR mission - 1 1/4 hour patrol with a couple of wingmen. half an hour in came across a flight of B-1B & F-15 escorts, which we downed, then about an hour in came across 3 F-14 out at sea. Got 1 defensive with an R-27ER, followed it up with an ET close enough to be confident it would get him (it did), swapped to another target and launched an R-73 (got him) just as he launched an AIM-9 which I didn't quite get away from & the HUD's gone & the HDD's blank & Betty's squaking "MLWS failure, Radar failure,RWR failure, EOS failure, ACS failure, hydraulics failure" etc... One wingman gone, but the other one dealing with the remaining F-14 so I shut Betty up, called inbound to the tower & got directions. flew off the auxiliary compass, the gear went down OK & I was circling dumping speed thinking "that was fun" & then "bang" a Roland ADS blows the tail off the plane, cause the tower directed me to a blue base...

[Alfa_Kilo]

This seems to be a new version with a FLIR turret, nose optics moved up:

 

Ka-50 variant

 

This could be the Ka-50N version...

http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/ka-50.php

 

ITS UGLY !!!

 

Prototype with 2 turrets

[RvETito]

This seems to be a new version with a FLIR turret, nose optics moved up:

 

This could be the Ka-50N version...

 

This is the Ka-50Sh prototype which is just the 018 with FLIR. No serial production of the helicopter with this system, it's just a platform for the system's trials I guess. For night operations there's Ka-52. Assuming the small number of aircraft built and the tasks they have been given it's very unlikely to see it installed on them.

[enreisen]

Will the BS implement in Russian Ships de AAA Kashtan M.... :book::book: ??

 

[Alfa]

Will the BS implement in Russian Ships de AAA Kashtan M.... :book::book: ??

 

 

Interesting video footage - especially the reloading sequence at the very end :) .

 

Anyway, the Kashtan system is already implemented in Lock-on onboard Admiral Kuznetsov and the Neustrashimy frigate. The Kashtan-M mentioned in the video is just an improved version with slightly longer missile engagement range.

[Piffer]

This is the Ka-50Sh prototype which is just the 018 with FLIR. No serial production of the helicopter with this system, it's just a platform for the system's trials I guess. For night operations there's Ka-52. Assuming the small number of aircraft built and the tasks they have been given it's very unlikely to see it installed on them.

 

Ka-50 isn't operational for night ops?

[britgliderpilot]

Ka-50 isn't operational for night ops?

 

Oh, you CAN fight it at night. If you're brave :D

[enreisen]

Thank you so much Alfa for your answer, it`s true that Admiral Kuznetsov and the Neustrashimy Frigate have this systems but i think doesn´t work properly in the game ( the system doesnt work like the real life i think )

 

Otherwise It´s not important at all :thumbup::thumbup:

 

Well i want to finish my post with one wish, and its very easy to implement in the BS

 

I´m from Spain and we have Sam Patriot ( we bought them in 2005 ) can the Spain Side have Patriot for the BS ?? :huh::huh:

[Alfa]

Thank you so much Alfa for your answer, it`s true that Admiral Kuznetsov and the Neustrashimy Frigate have this systems but i think doesnґt work properly in the game ( the system doesnt work like the real life i think )

 

Well I don't know what specific aspects you are refering to, but Black Shark will bring some corrections and improvements to AD systems :) .

 

Well i want to finish my post with one wish, and its very easy to implement in the BS

 

Iґm from Spain and we have Sam Patriot ( we bought them in 2005 ) can the Spain Side have Patriot for the BS ?? :huh::huh:

 

I don't know whether ED will assign the Patriot to Spain, but you are right that it would be simple to do, so if they won't you can just make the change yourself.....or I can do it for you :) .

[getsno]

american chopers

 

is there going to be some american flyable choppers as well?

if that question was asked before, i apologize in advance.:smilewink:

[VMFA-Blaze]

I think it was stated that there will not be any flyable Americain Choppers in BS...

 

But who knows what the future might bring... :smilewink:

 

 

~S~

 

Blaze

[Force_Feedback]

But would we be able to fly other choppers through a Meint modification (so no model swap)?

[Wags]

Looks like more Ka-50s to be built:

 

http://www.kommersant.com/p-10456/Army_Helicopter/

 

-Matt

[RvETito]

Thanks for the info Matt :thumbup: Since those must be brand new production I wonder what will be their weapons/threat warning systems. I suppose they will differ from the early built serial helicopters.

Oh yes, not to mention that they should certainly feature the new VK-2500 turboshaft engine, which will defenitely impose gearbox modification to deal the bigger power.

[Wags]

Indeed. I'll be particularly interested to see if they have a Ka-50Sh type sensor package.

 

-Matt

[Trident]

I hope they have the configuration with Shkval and one sensor ball (Samshit?), the one with 2 ball turrets just looks way too ugly ;) Also, the new MAWS/DIRCM package would be cool.

[Esac_mirmidon]

I think the numeral " 25 " is the standard about equipment of the new and modernized Ka-50 to be built in Arsenyiev.

 

A very needed issue, because the actual Ka-50´s aren´t very homogeneus in system equipments and capabilitys.

[EvilBivol-1]

AFAIK, "25" is a company airframe and may or may not be standardized to the production version, if there is one finally.

[Esac_mirmidon]

I thought that " 25 " was one of the Akulas involved in combat trial test in Chechniya between 1999 to 2000, and for this reason , equiped with the most advanced system available, and also, after return to base in Russia, with combat lessons learned, modifided with several improvements.

 

This is the reason why i think the " 25 " could be the mirror to other Akulas in equipment, ( desiderable, but with Russia you never know XD ).

 

Maybe Ka-50 could be a demonstration about how several dozens of helis could be different each one, without any standar at all. ( Nightmare for mechanics )

[RvETito]

All Ka-50s differ from each other because they all are or have been test prototypes prior being accepted into service. I think there are only two airframes built as a serial machines.

What their combat debut has shown as a weak part is that the Shkval is not enough to provide adequate independant targeting capability in complex terrain, especialy in night. So it's no wonder that Kamov are trying various way to improve the pilot's combat SA.

 

Another important conclusion of Ka-50's combat trials is that 1 pilot is not impossible, actualy it is completely doable.

[Esac_mirmidon]

In your opinion what systems are more adecuated?

 

A mix of Ka-50 with Shkvals like Strikers, another one or two Ka-50 with FLIR - IR sensors as FAC-adquisition-signals to transmit position of the targets to strikers and a Ka-29 as airborn CCC?

 

In your opinion the extra weight of FLIR-IR sensors and night vision devices plus Shkval system makes a impossible system mix for de Ka-50?

 

Also a decisive determination of missions for the 50´s could also help to chose the weapons and adquisition systems. ( CAS platform, special operations, antitank platform )

[RvETito]

Well this is a little bit away of my area (airframes and power plants) but since you are asking about my opinion I'll give it a shot. :)

 

A mix of Ka-50 with Shkvals like Strikers, another one or two Ka-50 with FLIR - IR sensors as FAC-adquisition-signals to transmit position of the targets to strikers and a Ka-29 as airborn CCC?

 

This is how the russians implement the special operations. But I would exclude the Ka-29, it has been used as an airborne command post in Chechnya because of the lack of operational and fully tested Ka-52. The idea is, as I said can't-remember-how-many-times :D, to use one Ka-52 as a combat coordinator/target selection and distribution to the wing of 3-4 Ka-50s. For that it is two-seater and has the necessary avionics. I can't say how the Shkval only equiped 50s would perform in such tactical environment. They also might need some additional equipement especially for night operations.

 

In your opinion the extra weight of FLIR-IR sensors and night vision devices plus Shkval system makes a impossible system mix for de Ka-50?

 

I'm pretty sure the weight is not an issue. The coaxial rotor can handle more than most people think ;) The problem is the development and the integration of the new weapon systems.

 

Also a decisive determination of missions for the 50ґs could also help to chose the weapons and adquisition systems. ( CAS platform, special operations, antitank platform )

 

In any case the modern combat helicopter must provide multirole implementation. You can't create a platform specialized only on CAS, antitank or whatever. The fact that the Ka-50/52 fits perfectly in mountain terrain doesn't mean that it can't handle antitank or CAS mission in flat terrain.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Thanks a lot AirTito.

 

It´s a pleasure to pay attention at your opinions asked by me.