Valve/HTC Vive Discussion

[Frusheen]

I just can't understand how anyone can have an opinion one way or another yet. Nobody has tried both products in dcs so what's it based on? Having an opinion is fine but the provocative way in which the opinion is delivered is bound to provoke a response from 'the other side'.

 

I want both headsets to be great. I want both of them to work in dcs and I want people to stop buying into the media spun Vive v Rift hype. The more people who buy into VR be it from Oculus or HTC or whoever the better chance it has of succeeding and then we all benefit.

[S3NTRY11]

I speak for myself and that's enough.

Then you probably shouldn't say things like "we've all".

If you are so interested in the subject and haven't seen it then there is nothing more to say.

What? That just sounds like a poor attempt at intellectual elitism.

I actually find your reply most amusing.

Why's that?

[wormeaten]

I'm very interested in VR and what to buy. Don't favoring Rift or Vive. Right now my favorit is StarVR because of 210° FOV but this increasing hardware requirement.

 

Really don't see any Vive advantage over Rift right now if we evaluating real practical use in games I will play. Here we are talking about VR and DCS so don't see the point when someone mantion 50 VR titles which are actually all the same only scenes are diferent and don't have some constant value like mostly simulation games have. So most of the real value games to use VR are DCS, War Thunder, all Driving simulations and all this games have in common they are siting games and have its own need for gaming controller (HOTAS or wheel).

Practically no need for Vive or Rift controller at all. Here Vive loosing all advantage over the Rift actually because Rift is more affordable because Rift selling they controller separately what making it more affordable and for that difference in price we will soon have some VR gloves on market which will be ultimate experience for us in DCS and have real interaction with cockpit.

 

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[S3NTRY11]

I just can't understand how anyone can have an opinion one way or another yet. Nobody has tried both products in dcs so what's it based on? Having an opinion is fine but the provocative way in which the opinion is delivered is bound to provoke a response from 'the other side'.

It's easy for people to have an opinion. I have an opinion based on a hell of a lot of reading and watching. I don't have first-hand experience, but I've read and seen enough to know that I think the Vive is the best fir for what I want. And I'm happy to try to convince others of why I think it is better for certain reasons.

 

The other aspect is people that want to justify a purchase they've made (though I think that tends to get over-stated when things get heated)

I want both headsets to be great. I want both of them to work in dcs and I want people to stop buying into the media spun Vive v Rift hype. The more people who buy into VR be it from Oculus or HTC or whoever the better chance it has of succeeding and then we all benefit.

I agree, I think they both will be great, but people shouldn't be stopped from sharing their opinion of what they consider best, and why. There should definitely be a focus on how people deliver their opinions, however.

Some of those discussions change peoples perspective, and ultimate purchasing decision. Which is a good thing, if what they get in the end is better suited to their needs.

 

Rift vs Vive was inevitable, to some extent, simply because people are not going to agree on what is best. But that in itself is a great thing. If there was a clearly superior product (objectively), that would actually not be as good, in my opinion, because it would likely lead to a failure of one and a lack of choice in the market. It's great that many of the arguments for and against can be largely considered nit-picky, or at the very least contestable.

 

Things will calm down once us kids get our toys.

[S3NTRY11]

Our enemies are the ones that say "VR isn't ready yet, it'll be a few more years."

I'm not even sure they're the enemy ;)

[S3NTRY11]

I'm very interested in VR and what to buy. Don't favoring Rift or Vive. Right now my favorit is StarVR because of 210° FOV but this increasing hardware requirement.

StarVR looks really interesting.

That resolution though...

For something like DCS, I get the feeling you're going to need a mix-n-match combination of 3 things:

Foveated rendering

DCS DX12 (or Vulkan if you're pipe-dreaming)

A high-end computer from the year 2020.

[Frusheen]

StarVR looks really interesting.

That resolution though...

For something like DCS, I get the feeling you're going to need a mix-n-match combination of 3 things:

Foveated rendering

DCS DX12 (or Vulkan if you're pipe-dreaming)

A high-end computer from the year 2020.

 

And eye tracking. :thumbup:

[S3NTRY11]

And eye tracking. :thumbup:

Ahh yes, I I should have made that a little more clear, combined with the foveated rendering. Good point.

[Chivas]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=162487

 

IF ANYONE MISSED THIS POST.

 

I cant understand why ANYONE would buy an oculus at this point over a vive, and it makes it worse the HTC has demo's now in stores in the UK and testing all over and oculus doesnt because they "dont have the units to sent out." IE HTC phone manufacture just spit that shit out like hotcakes.

 

the 1 and ONLY reason would be money and not wanting the controlers for dcs but even then just makes me scrach my head after you spent the money for the system.

 

The Vive is definitely a very good option, especially if you want room scale VR now.

Oculus has prioritized their hardware for their customers not reviewers and demos. They must be very sure of their product.

 

So far I personally prefer the Rift for flight sims for a few reasons

 

1. I believe the Rift display are more VR refined, with a little less SDE, which could make the difference in spotting distant aircraft.

2. I also like the larger sweet spot of the Rift optics.

3. The Rift headset appears to be a little better balanced, which would make it feel lighter, for long periods of use.

4. The Rift is cheaper since I don't require VR inputs at this time.

5. Cliffs of Dover and DCS are currently working on Rift support.

5. If I want VR inputs later, the Touch Inputs appear to be more refined than the Vive wands.

 

I'm very interested in getting Wags take on the two headsets. If the Vive ends up being the better unit for my needs, I can easily sell the Rift in April, and buy the Vive.

[cichlidfan]

I would imagine that Wags, or any ED employee, offering up an opinion on which is better, would be highly unlikely. To do so could jeopardize ED's ability to obtain early access to hardware/software from vendors.

[S3NTRY11]

I would imagine that Wags, or any ED employee, offering up an opinion on which is better, would be highly unlikely. To do so could jeopardize ED's ability to obtain early access to hardware/software from vendors.

Exactly. It's a political non-starter.

 

We're just going to have to wait a few more weeks.

 

Even then, I think there are going to be so many aspects between these headsets that are so close to parity, that people will justify their position subjectively, so that type of debate will likely never die.

 

"In my experience" will then become the catch-cry. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, aside from the fact it does lend itself to purchase justification.

[Chivas]

I would imagine that Wags, or any ED employee, offering up an opinion on which is better, would be highly unlikely. To do so could jeopardize ED's ability to obtain early access to hardware/software from vendors.

 

There is no doubt that it may not be in DCS best interest to voice their opinion on the two devices, at this time, but it doesn't lessen my interest on what those opinions are.:)

[cichlidfan]

There is no doubt that it may not be in DCS best interest to voice their opinion on the two devices, at this time, but it doesn't lessen my interest on what those opinions are.:)

 

Well, I can't disagree with that. I think we would all love to know exactly what Wag's thinks about both.

[Chivas]

Exactly. It's a political non-starter.

 

We're just going to have to wait a few more weeks.

 

Even then, I think there are going to be so many aspects between these headsets that are so close to parity, that people will justify their position subjectively, so that type of debate will likely never die.

 

"In my experience" will then become the catch-cry. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, aside from the fact it does lend itself to purchase justification.

 

I don't believe it would be a total non starter as stuff always gets leaked, but I do agree that unprejudiced opinions will still be very hard to find even after the release of both devices.

 

Both systems are very close in parity, and it will be difficult to figure out which one will suit their needs a little better. Especially in combat flight sims where its still not clear if either unit is good enough.

 

I will have the Rift this month, and hopefully I will be able to test a Vive at some commercial outlet soon after, but it will be highly unlikely that I will be able to test the Vive in a combat flight sim situation in a commercial outlet.

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[Johnny Dioxin]

Then you probably shouldn't say things like "we've all".

 

What? That just sounds like a poor attempt at intellectual elitism.

 

Why's that?

 

 

I was using the Royal we.

 

That post has been linked to many times in this discussion already - and as you are here putting us to rights pretty much every day...

 

Because your post (and many of your similar ones) reek of elitism, know-better attitude and, in this case, hypocrisy.

 

My replies to that post were very cynical and in fact restrained, as it was such a silly post, either by someone young or just trolling, is my guess.

 

But it's so nice to have such a person as yourself around here to show us our faults (and yes our is exactly what I mean) and put your expertise on display for us all to admire.

 

The fanboys comment was about on a par with the post being referred to and shows your true level.

 

That's my last comment on it, too - I really shouldn't allow myself to be drawn by people like you - it's a weakness, but I can put it right now.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Brixmis

[hansangb]

Brixmis,

It's like peeing into the wind. You'll lose every time! :)

Edited March 20, 2016 by hansangb

[S3NTRY11]

I don't believe it would be a total non starter as stuff always gets leaked

If Wags wants to leak some details, I doubt anyone would say no. I put that around zero chance of happening.

Edited March 21, 2016 by S3NTRY11
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[S3NTRY11]

That post has been linked to many times in this discussion already

We have differing definitions of "many".

 

and as you are here putting us to rights pretty much every day...

I am fairly active in this thread, yep. Would prefer not to have to deal with seething Oculus "fanboys" bringing their "elitism" to the Vive thread, but you see something, you say something. Someone got slammed for saying that the Vive was the way to go. For shame.

 

Because your post (and many of your similar ones) reek of elitism

For example?

know-better attitude

Probably

in this case, hypocrisy.

For example?

 

My replies to that post were very cynical and in fact restrained, as it was such a silly post, either by someone young or just trolling, is my guess.

Hypocrisy across adjacent paragraphs within a single post! Impressive.

 

But it's so nice to have such a person as yourself around here to show us our faults (and yes our is exactly what I mean) and put your expertise on display for us all to admire.

Don't know why you'd say that, but thanks for the compliment.

 

The fanboys comment was about on a par with the post being referred to and shows your true level.

ditto, I guess?

 

That's my last comment on it, too - I really shouldn't allow myself to be drawn by people like you - it's a weakness, but I can put it right now.

What a shame, it's so great that I have someone like you here to show me my faults and put your hypocrisy on display for us all to admire.

 

Edit: Can I just say, that where there is constructive conversation to be had, I get involved. Sometimes I say things adamantly that are incorrect. And if I'm corrected, I cop to it, and apologise. There are many people that have already made their decision to buy a Rift, but feel the need to cross-post in this thread when someone challenges any notion that the Rift is the way to go. I love the Vive, it is the best. But, if you look through my history (and can get past the oozing elitism and arrogance), you'll see "many" times that I have said, specific to DCS, that the Rift may be the better way to go.

 

Brismix, your last few posts have added ZERO.

Edited March 21, 2016 by S3NTRY11
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[Chivas]

If Wags wants to leak some details, I doubt anyone would say no. I put that around zero chance of happening.

 

I'm sure Wags isn't the only DCS dev trying out DCS with the Rift and Vive, and I'm sure people know some of Wags and other devs feelings on the two units. Like I said things always get leaked.

[hansangb]

You guys should check out Derek's post of "insider" post on Reddit. Comparing Rift, vive, and PS-VR. Fascinating.

[Chivas]

You guys should check out Derek's post of "insider" post on Reddit. Comparing Rift, vive, and PS-VR. Fascinating.

 

Yes, it appears to be one of the few very competent reviews of these products.

[98abaile]

Got a link?

[Frusheen]

Got a link?

 

[Milopapa]

Why are you posting like an ad or a signature?

[S3NTRY11]

Why are you posting like an ad or a signature?

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