Will one of the two variants be AG ?

[Demongornot]

It is apparently no easy to find correct info about which Tomcat can do ground attack, but some Tomcat A, B and D have been upgraded to be able to perform basic ground attack mission and become a Strike Fighter !

I have find some info here :

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-14sf.htm

 

So will we have a Tomcat and a Bombcat or two Tomcats ?

[Fixxxer46]

I'm interested in getting this cleared up aswell.

 

But i'm assuming it's one of each, 'cause why make two if they are not considerably different?

[SDsc0rch]

wait.. is LN building TWO jets??

 

or just one? because the A+ "is" the B (Bs are newly manufactured - A+ are upgraded As)

[xaoslaad]

DCS: F-14A/A+/B

 

A/A+/B, so even if you discount the A+/B being the same there is still the A which is not the same. If you follow the above link they write it a little more clearly, F-14A/B (A+). So yes, we are getting two variants.

[Revelation]

It is apparently no easy to find correct info about which Tomcat can do ground attack, but some Tomcat A, B and D have been upgraded to be able to perform basic ground attack mission and become a Strike Fighter !

I have find some info here :

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-14sf.htm

 

So will we have a Tomcat and a Bombcat or two Tomcats ?

 

In another thread Cobra mentions that they 'want to' implement the bomb cat with PGM capabilities but it will depend on the information they can get their hands on.

 

Dumb bombs should be good to go; we'll just have to be patient for PGM details.

[undertheradar]

In another thread Cobra mentions that they 'want to' implement the bomb cat with PGM capabilities but it will depend on the information they can get their hands on.

 

Dumb bombs should be good to go; we'll just have to be patient for PGM details.

 

 

Odd. The LANTIRN pod allows for PGM delivery. The Litening pod is a more capable LANTIRN pod. What else is needed?

[Revelation]

Odd. The LANTIRN pod allows for PGM delivery. The Litening pod is a more capable LANTIRN pod. What else is needed?

 

My guess is Cobra wants to authentically simulate the systems involved with PGM. If they can find enough resources on those systems then it is realistic to believe that is what will be delivered.

[westr]

I would like to think that if 100% of the data required isn't available that LN could make an educated guess regarding some of the finer details of the Tomcats PGMs delivery systems. To miss out on the bombcat for this reason would be a shame given that the DCS A-10C is not modelled 100% accurately for classification reasons. But by no means does this take any of the enjoyment away from DCS A-10C. It is a wonderful module.

Let's hope LN can obtain all the data they need and maybe the forum community will be able to help.

[Zakatak]

I would like to think that if 100% of the data required isn't available that LN could make an educated guess regarding some of the finer details of the Tomcats PGMs delivery systems. To miss out on the bombcat for this reason would be a shame given that the DCS A-10C is not modelled 100% accurately for classification reasons. But by no means does this take any of the enjoyment away from DCS A-10C. It is a wonderful module.

Let's hope LN can obtain all the data they need and maybe the forum community will be able to help.

I think they added the Kh-66 Grom to the MiG-21bis despite the missile not being compatible with the RP-22M radar for the sake of fun, so it's pretty likely they would take a route like this.

[Demongornot]

Since the Tomcat/Bombcat are not retired, well i think we could get the chance to see the PGM deliver :D

 

Nice to hear that Cobra want to make PGM compatible platform !

It will be nice to have the really old F-14A in plus of the upgraded F-14B Bombcat !

[Vampyre]

B was not Bombcat. Air to ground capability, including LANTIRN, was integrated after 9/11/01 for GWOT. They are all modded D model Tomcats. At that point only D models were still flying.

 

You might want to do a little research on that because that info is totally incorrect.

[SkateZilla]

All F-14 were retired in 2005.

 

There are currently 7 preserved at AMARC :p

 

 

As for Bombcats/F-14B (Upgrade), they replaced COINS w/ EGI NAV as well as a list of over 100 Changes, Which are barely documented publicly, Manuals arent for sale, and ones that are are just re-prints of the freely availible 1070+ page NATOPs Manual.

 

Even if I had one in storage, it'd be illegal for me to do anything with it, which includes scanning pages, etc.

(dad was an AE1 and had Manuals for F-14s, A-6s etc, in a box in his closet for close to 20 years after he retired.)

 

outside of finding a pilot and SME, and maybe M.A.T.S., they'd need a clear print copy of the F-14B Manual for the BuNos or Block that had the components;.

Edited March 4, 2015 by SkateZilla

[Vampyre]

I grew up in Bethpage. I've been studying the F-14 since I was a kid. My friends dads worked on the production line. I worked for F-14 pilots for years. Pleaee tell me I'm wrong.

 

Ok

 

B was not Bombcat.

 

Bombcat was a catchy name given to the Tomcats (A/B/D) that were equipped to drop air to ground ordnance... It was a marketing ploy to let commanders in the field//at sea know that the Tomcat had these capabilities and they were available for use. Remember, up to this time the Tomcat was dedicated air to air platform and that was a good way to keep the Tomcats suitably employed. It was there to justify the communities existence. So yes, the B was the Bombcat... as was the A and D. Even more, the first Bombcat squadron was VF-103... equipped with the F-14B.

 

Air to ground capability, including LANTIRN, was integrated after 9/11/01 for GWOT.

 

In July 1992 fleet Tomcats were cleared to drop general purpose bombs. Cluster Bombs and LGB's followed soon after that.

 

The first fleet LANTIRN pod was accepted on 14 June 1996 by the SECNAV himself, the Honorable John Dalton. LANTIRN integration was conducted in 1995.

 

 

They are all modded D model Tomcats.

 

The first air to ground Tomcats were B models and the first to drop bombs in anger were A models with VF-41 on 5 Sep 1995.

 

At that point only D models were still flying.

 

VF-154 flew F-14A Tomcats till September 2003. VF-103 flew the F-14B until December 2004. There are other instances but this suffices for the point. The last Tomcat squadrons were D models with VF-31 and VF-213 . I was on the final Tomcat war cruise in 2005/6.

 

Please research the subject a bit before posting.

[SkateZilla]

please dont tear me apart like that, lol.

[Zakatak]

The inability to integrate a bombing capability in a timely fashion is the whole reason the Marine Corps didn't buy the Tomcat and held off for the Hornet. After that attack integration effort was dropped until OEF.

Stop reposting, and just edit your previous comment if you have something to add.

[xaoslaad]

I grew up in Bethpage. I've been studying the F-14 since I was a kid. My friends dads worked on the production line. I worked for and with F-14 pilots for years. Pleaee tell me I'm wrong.

 

You're wrong.

[SkateZilla]

the F-14B Proto's spent more time in long term storage than they did in the air.

[Vampyre]

The last jets were taken to AMARC in November 2005 and the rest put on sticks everywhere else. Calling that the last cruise is dubious at best.

 

Well, it was definitely the last war cruise and I was there. After we got back in 2006 I transferred to VX-9 that April so I was not there for the final surge they did a few months later and all of the Tomcats were retired in September 2006. Everything I have posted is easily verifiable if you just take the time to research it.

[SkateZilla]

Those B's that dropped bombs were at VX-9 and that shit never got to the fleet.

 

Umm,

 

F-14A's Dropped bombs in Bosnia. Guided by lasers from other AC (F-18s)

 

Check your facts.

[xaoslaad]

Preserved at AMARC means retired and supposedly capable for 90 day regen. They're kangaroo mouse hotels.

 

 

 

I see what you did there.

 

Nope all those B's were upgraded to D spec before they got the software to drop ord. We can do this all night.

 

Patently incorrect.

 

In the late 1990s, 67 F-14Bs were upgraded to extend airframe life and improve offensive and defensive avionics systems. The modified aircraft became known as F-14B Upgrade or as "Bombcat".

 

37 F-14D's were made new, 18 F-14A's were made into F-14D®'s.

 

You can easily look any of this up. You're just making stuff up. From one 'USMC' to another, stop spouting junk you heard from a guy that heard it from a guy, sit down, and read. It will do you far better in life.

[Dudikoff]

Patently incorrect. In the late 1990s, 67 F-14Bs were upgraded to extend airframe life and improve offensive and defensive avionics systems. The modified aircraft became known as F-14B Upgrade or as "Bombcat".

 

Exactly. "Updated to D spec" as he says would have meant a much more significant upgrade (new radar, dual chin pod, cockpit changes with MFDs, etc.) as was done on those F-14D®s.

[AceRevo]

Exactly. "Updated to D spec" as he says would have meant a much more significant upgrade (new radar, dual chin pod, cockpit changes with MFDs, etc.) as was done on those F-14D®s.

 

Thats not what he said.. D® models were A models upgraded to D.. D model is not the ''bombcat'' B model. right? edited :p

[captain_dalan]

Thats not what he said.. D® models were A models upgraded to D.. D model is not the ''bombcat'' B model. right? edited :p

 

If i got it right, he claimed all Cats after 9-11 were D's??? That is blatantly incorrect to begin with.

[AceRevo]

If i got it right, he claimed all Cats after 9-11 were D's??? That is blatantly incorrect to begin with.

 

Im with Xaoslaad, stating that most of the D's were made new from scratch while others were upgraded from A models which were designated D® models. Dont know who youre talking about but, clearly not every 700 tomcats ever made were converted into D's as this program got canceled and only a few D models were made.

[Dudikoff]

Nope all those B's were upgraded to D spec before they got the software to drop ord. We can do this all night.

 

Patently incorrect. In the late 1990s, 67 F-14Bs were upgraded to extend airframe life and improve offensive and defensive avionics systems. The modified aircraft became known as F-14B Upgrade or as "Bombcat". 37 F-14D's were made new, 18 F-14A's were made into F-14D®'s.

 

Exactly. "Updated to D spec" as he says would have meant a much more significant upgrade (new radar, dual chin pod, cockpit changes with MFDs, etc.) as was done on those F-14D®s.

 

Thats not what he said.. D® models were A models upgraded to D.. D model is not the ''bombcat'' B model. right? edited :p

 

Please pay more attention as you misunderstood my post. "As he says" when answering xaoslaad was obviously not refering to him, but to the post by USMC_Trev before.