Very Cool F-22 Video...

[Mobius1]

Here is a cool video of an F-22 performing at an airshow at Langley recently...

 

http://semperapollo.com/Quickstart/VideoLib/Langley2006/Raptor.mpg

 

Note the Cobra about a fifth of the way through, very cool stuff here....:thumbup:

[GGTharos]

Yep. That just killed the flanker's claim to fame ;)

[Cobra360]

A step in the right direction, some nice moves but the pilot seemed to be holding back a little, not wanting to crash the most expensive fighter ever built I suppose. The Flanker finally has something to challange it at an airshow after 20 years. The MKI can still pull off a near zero speed 360 loop though.:thumbup:

[GGTharos]

That Raptor almost did that, too ... not much doubt as to wether it can when it sat there on its tail you know ;)

[Cobra360]

For me that was the most impressive part where it just sat on it's tail, when the camera zoomed out it looked like the Raptor was just floating there. Pitty about the weather condition, the display would have looked more impressive if there was some kind of refference points like a lot of broken cloud.

[D-Scythe]

Actually, that wasn't the Raptor's full display. They're still working out their routine AFAIK. The pilot in that video was just pulling some stuff off the top of his head to kill time.

 

See this thread: http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=32;t=009754

[Weta43]

"Yep. That just killed the flanker's claim to fame"

 

& it only took the US 20 years to catch up...

 

I love the way when it was a Russian thing only there were endless cries of "it's a gimick" & "there is no real life application for manouverability of that kind in modern warfare", but now that the F-22 has publically displayed a cobra there is a collective cry of "YESS!!!, WE CAN DO IT TOO!!"

[mikoriad]

"Yep. That just killed the flanker's claim to fame"

 

& it only took the US 20 years to catch up...

 

I love the way when it was a Russian thing only there were endless cries of "it's a gimick" & "there is no real life application for manouverability of that kind in modern warfare", but now that the F-22 has publically displayed a cobra there is a collective cry of "YESS!!!, WE CAN DO IT TOO!!"

 

Hell yeah we CAN do it too!!! woooo!!:lol:

 

No really though, I'm just glad to know it will have airshow displays. I did get to see it up close in the first public static display at an airshow a couple weeks ago at Dobbins ARB (where the lockheed plant is). I was a very awesome aircraft even on the ground.

 

Has anyone else noticed how small of a stabliator input is needed to get pitch manouvers started? I seems that the F-18E/F is the same way, judgeing but it's displays I've seen. There seems to be way more "down" stabilator input to stop the pitch angle from increasing throught both aircraft displays.

[D-Scythe]

"Yep. That just killed the flanker's claim to fame"

 

& it only took the US 20 years to catch up...

 

I love the way when it was a Russian thing only there were endless cries of "it's a gimick" & "there is no real life application for manouverability of that kind in modern warfare", but now that the F-22 has publically displayed a cobra there is a collective cry of "YESS!!!, WE CAN DO IT TOO!!"

 

Meh, me thinks you can relax. The Su-27 was hardly "famous" for its ability to pull the Cobra (more like infamous), but the statement above simply meant that like the Russians, airshow displays by the F-22 will likely get pretty spectacular in the near future.

 

Nobody claimed that the ability to pull a Cobra or hover in mid-air is combat applicable. In most cases it's not.

 

Purely OT, but can the Su-27 and MiG-29 "hook" a Cobra - i.e. snap its nose sharply to increase it's turn rate while in a turn? I know that it can in LOMAC, but I've never seen it IRL, where Cobras have always been vertical.

[GGTharos]

IIRC when an F-16 pilot tried to snap the nose of a MiG, the MiG pilot stopped him ..

 

Anyway, no, it wasn't '20 years in the making' ... it's all about the engines, and the USAF felt like keeping its engines alive ;)

[hitman]

Newtons law of gravity plays in on that. In the cobra the nose goes up due to drag and the weight is balanced on basically a fulcrum, and uses its center of gravity. If it would be done at bank angles, gravity would pull the nose down but no fulcrum or center of gravity. Basically a good way to get yourself killed IMO.

[Guest Cali]

Wow that was very impressive, it did look like it was just hovering in mid air. Wish I was there to see it with my own eyes.

[nscode]

Anyway, no, it wasn't '20 years in the making' ... it's all about the engines, and the USAF felt like keeping its engines alive ;)

 

And rus felt like making an engine that keeps alive no matter what you* think :)

 

And I bet it IS a mostly russian engine in them new Fs ;)

 

*not you - you... anybody - you :D

[Crusty]

IIRC when an F-16 pilot tried to snap the nose of a MiG, the MiG pilot stopped him ..

 

Anyway, no, it wasn't '20 years in the making' ... it's all about the engines, and the USAF felt like keeping its engines alive ;)

If you think thats the reason you didnt see this capability before now, you are just looking for excuses, the russians beat the americans to having a operational supersonic fighter that can perform like that by many years...simple fact...deal with it:D

[Force_Feedback]

Did the pilot make it out afterwards? :megalol:

[Kenan]

Did the pilot make it out afterwards? :megalol:

 

Touche! :D

[Stealth_HR]

Nice, so they've reached that... it'll take them 20 more years to create something that can mimic the Terminator's Frolov Chakra.*

 

*The Frolov Chakra is a maneuver where an aircraft, such as the Su-37 performs a mid-air somersault of sorts. It is performed by following the standard procedure for a Cobra, but instead of snapping back to level flight it continues to pull the nose further back, at one point flying tail-first.

[Joe Kurr]

Meh, me thinks you can relax. The Su-27 was hardly "famous" for its ability to pull the Cobra (more like infamous), but the statement above simply meant that like the Russians, airshow displays by the F-22 will likely get pretty spectacular in the near future.

 

Nobody claimed that the ability to pull a Cobra or hover in mid-air is combat applicable. In most cases it's not.

 

Purely OT, but can the Su-27 and MiG-29 "hook" a Cobra - i.e. snap its nose sharply to increase it's turn rate while in a turn? I know that it can in LOMAC, but I've never seen it IRL, where Cobras have always been vertical.

 

I've seen several displays with both MiG-29 and Flankers (27 / 37 / 30 / etc) performing a "hook", i.e. a horizontal Kobra.

Although this manouver is much easier in aircraft utilizing TVC, it is also perfectly possible in conventional aircraft.

[Shaman]

I've just watched the video. Am I missing something here? Because I'm finding this display extremaly boring? Except that they've shown that the aircraft can fly there was nothing more, really.

I'm used to watch fighter jets flying (mostly 29s) over my head when I worked in the airbase and pilots did more interesting displays just to burn the extra fuel before landing. This video seems like public display, and there's nothing really extraordinary about it. Oh well.

 

Anyway F-22 is a remarkable plane.

[nscode]

Did you read the small print on the beginning? ;)

[S77th-konkussion]

The jealous sulking & whining is what's boring. The F22 has a lot more substance behind it than a grossly overhyped airshow trick. By the way- there's nothing wrong with taking technology (like thrust vectoring) that someone introduced (publicy) before you, improving upon it, and packaging it in a manner that suits your own individual needs. Hmm.. how many examples of outright theft of American technology can we come up with ??

 

By the way- how many of these cobra-pulling airshow stunt planes are out there in service? These "vastly superior" machines that will be our death?

 

 

 

I thought so.

[Shaman]

The jealous sulking & whining is what's boring. The F22 has a lot more substance behind it than a grossly overhyped airshow trick.

I'm sorry but by reading Very cool F-22 video in the thread title, and then realizing it weights 40MB I had to get it. I was expecting airshow tricks. Yes I did expect that when I just first show that crappy low res video with "just a pick of iceberg" in title.. then aircraft in the middle in some crappy weather and then realized that it is a public display. So yes. I've been expecting airshow tricks and with possible manuevering capabilities that F-22 has - yes - I've been expecting extraordinary awesome airshow tricks display. At the end I got very dissapointed. What did I get? Nothing really. Like I said I've been watching more interesting displays on daily basis just made by bored pilots that were put on a race-track around point to burn extra fuel.

Have you felt insulted by my comment anyway? Any non over-hype positive comment about this movie is sulking & whining to you and a prove that someone is jealous about something? Yes about what exactly? :doh:

You have some few complexes to deal with, man.

[GGTharos]

IIRC even the first thrust vectored missile and helmet mounted sight was used by the USAF before the archer/shlem combo ...

 

Although for some reason they never combined the two (this was back in the time where missiles had ultra-low Pk, and were bloody expensive ... ie. Vietnam)

[Weta43]

I understood they both "borrowed" the HMS from the South Africans, who had a system in the early 60's, just American military contractors didn't pick it up 'cause it used a cheap diode system & wasn't complicated enough to charge millions for - which is why the US didn't get an operational system rolled out for years - they had to wait for a suitably complex alternative to be developed.

 

:-)

[GGTharos]

Actually, they had an operational system in vietnam, with the sidewinder.

 

What they didn't have is a thrust-vectored missile, which -was- developed separately, but it wasn't a dogfighting missile (I forget the specifics) and was dropped due to cost or something of that sort.