Future of SSM

[Alfredson007]

Hello.

 

I was wondering is there any kind of future plans regarding Simple System Modeling. I have learnt the Mig-21 which is great but pretty sure it will be the only more complex plane i will ever learn througly. When i discovered that the F15 and Su27 have proper flight modeling, i instantly bought them and fell in love. They are genius combination of realistic and fun flying completed with very easy to learn yet complex and believeable enough avionics.

 

I really REALLY hope that in the future we would see more planes like these, a hornet maybe? :)

[Dagger71]

Hello.

 

I was wondering is there any kind of future plans regarding Simple System Modeling. I have learnt the Mig-21 which is great but pretty sure it will be the only more complex plane i will ever learn througly. When i discovered that the F15 and Su27 have proper flight modeling, i instantly bought them and fell in love. They are genius combination of realistic and fun flying completed with very easy to learn yet complex and believeable enough avionics.

 

I really REALLY hope that in the future we would see more planes like these, a hornet maybe? :)

 

 

You realize DCS is a study sim, which prides itself on high fidelity simulation of actual aircraft.

 

The F15 and Su27 come from the FC3 series (which is an old port of the Lock-on Modern Combat which came out in 2003!

c)

These have been updated to a certain extent but the complexity and fidelity (weapons, flight , damage, physics etc etc) are locked into since they weren't built from scratch.

 

Any new module must meet DCS standards and from what I have seen, its been the case throughout.

 

To now take a step back and produce an inferior product with arcade controls, simplified controls, avionics systems etc would probably be the end of this series.

 

Every module here has "game mode" for people who don't have time to learn every aspect of the plane, but to actually just release a module WITHOUT a detailed sim mode, would be heresy and very likely a major breach of contract between developer and DCS.

 

Th F18 will come, it will be a highly detailed, high fidelity, pro flight module, and will take several weeks to learn properly. It will probably have some arcade mode with simplified avionics, but don't expect to fly that mode in multiplayer.

 

Digital Combat Simulator, this ain't your grandma's flight sim!

[AceRevo]

what dragger said!

[PiedDroit]

I don't think there is a need for a different version of the study-level sim aircraft.

After all they are not that complicated compared to the FC3 planes, except for a few thing you won't be able to do anyway with simplified avionics.

 

For instance it's possible to fly the A-10C like an FC3 plane, just use the automatic cold start procedure, don't try advanced stuff (like messing with the MCDU/flight plan and modifying weapon profiles) and you're good to go. Same for the MiG-21Bis (you can use kneepad to navigate).

 

The automatic cold start procedure is really essential for every high fidelity module IMO, otherwise this would drive too many people away.

Edited May 18, 2015 by PiedDroit
you can use kneepad to navigate

[BFBunny]

It sucks for me [gets a violin] because fc3 has the mig 29. Before I knew fc3 was basic planes I though I had found a study version of the mig I played in old games. I was a bit sad when I got in and it was old without even 6 dof.

 

I would be sad if another plane I wanted to fly ( I don't want to fly every plane ) was just basic version. Here, have basic spitfire. :cry:

 

While I like fc3 planes they feel a little out of place as more and more clickable cockpitted aircraft arrive with pfms.

 

As much as I want every single plane in the world in dcs, I'd take quality over quantity every time.

Edited May 18, 2015 by BFBunny
mig 21 to mig 29

[cichlidfan]

It sucks for me [gets a violin] because fc3 has the mig 21.

 

No. It does not.

[BFBunny]

Nope, but it does have the mig 29. :doh:

[PiedDroit]

It sucks for me [gets a violin] because fc3 has the mig 21. Before I knew fc3 was basic planes I though I had found a study version of the mig I played in old games. I was a bit sad when I got in and it was old without even 6 dof.

 

I would be sad if another plane I wanted to fly ( I don't want to fly every plane ) was just basic version. Here, have basic spitfire. :cry:

 

While I like fc3 planes they feel a little out of place as more and more clickable cockpitted aircraft arrive with pfms.

 

As much as I want every single plane in the world in dcs, I'd take quality over quantity every time.

Do you mean MiG-29? (EDIT: sniped)

 

FC3 is out of place, maybe, but before the A-10C and Ka-50 it was the standard. I'm glad we can still fly those planes along with the high-fi modules (EDIT: also don't forget that some FC3 have better FM now).

 

I hope every future aircraft will come as high-fi module too, because until now (except for cold start and advanced stuff - see above), I didn't see too much difficulties to get those birds flying and shooting.

 

It's also a developer's responsibility to make the aircraft useable (well designed keyboard shortcuts, automatic cold start for those who want it) while not sacrificing to realism, to make everyone happy and able to enjoy the modules (there a discussion going on about the MiG-21's keyboard mappings, for this very reason).

Edited May 18, 2015 by PiedDroit

[NineLine]

I would buy FC4 with all new planes :)

[PiedDroit]

I would buy FC4 with all new planes :)

A full-spec MiG-29, yummy :wub:

 

Or was it the other way around?

I prefer high-fi, but, OK, I'm good with that too :D:D:D

Edited May 19, 2015 by PiedDroit

[cichlidfan]

I agree with Sith for three reasons.

 

1. I love being able to enjoy a wide variety of aircraft.

 

2. I don't have time to properly learn a study level version of every aircraft.

 

3. The aircraft could, in theory, be produced in far less time.

[NineLine]

A full-spec MiG-29, yummy :wub:

 

Or was it the other way around?

I prefer high-fi, but, OK, I'm good with that too :D:D:D

 

I would be fine if a 3rd Party, or even ED release a group of new aircraft with the goal of someday upgrading them similar to what is happening with FC3.

[SkateZilla]

There's no rule saying everything has to be PFM/PSM

[lazduc]

Sith,

 

I am surprised they haven't done so by now...of course now with new core enhancements to the graphics engine....possibly everyone is just waiting...

[Davschall]

I waffle because I enjoy the f-15 and Su-27 as they are, but sometimes I wish I could click something I see instead of remembering a keyboard command.

 

Overall I dont think it would be the "end" of the series, simplified planes are a good way to introduce people to the series. I bought FC3 with no intention of buying any full clicky planes at that time, a week later I bought the A-10C (because I felt like I was missing out) and im buying the mig-21 this week.

 

You could argue the SU-25T is that "intro plane" and I fly it a lot, but it doesnt give you that dogfightability the f-15 or su-27 give(obvs).

 

Like I said I waffle, but I'd certainly buy and fly an FC4. As long is everything is 6 dof, 3d and AFM or PFM.

 

Sometimes its nice to just hop in and push a few keys and fly away, but at the end of the day I knew I was getting into a study sim and enjoy every aspect of that. Plus its a nice feeling to say you can basically operate a real A-10C or (enter aircraft here). Im super psyched for the F/A-18 to come out because thats what I hope to fly (if I can) once I get out of school.

[Alfredson007]

Overall I dont think it would be the "end" of the series, simplified planes are a good way to introduce people to the series. I bought FC3 with no intention of buying any full clicky planes at that time, a week later I bought the A-10C (because I felt like I was missing out) and im buying the mig-21 this week.

 

Agreed. I bought the Mig-21 because it is old-school rather analog plane. But due to F-15 and Su27 which i bought after the Mig and instantly fell in love with them, i know CONSIDER of buying hc model of the Hornet. Without experiencing the simplified F15 i would not. So i think simpler models do support DCS series as a diving board to more complex planes, and if not, what's wrong for me to support your Platform of Choice in simming by buying F15 or Su27 style planes rather than not buying anything at all?

 

I understand though that some people might fear that DCS would become an arcade game or atleast it would have a reputation of an arcade game due to simpler planes. But i don't think this as a threat.

[Exorcet]

I want every module I own to be high fidelity, but I'm not against FC level aircraft in DCS. As with CA, while the simulation on the pilot side may be slightly reduced, it's still much more realistic and complex than AI in general. Also, for some aircraft it might be the only option (something like F-35, etc).

 

I'd also like to see clickable cockpits for FC aircraft though. It wouldn't be fully clickable of course, but adding cockpit controls for what functions there are would help a little with immersion and possible save button space on HOTAS while being more intuitive than using a keyboard.

[ghostmedic171]

Agreed. I bought the Mig-21 because it is old-school rather analog plane. But due to F-15 and Su27 which i bought after the Mig and instantly fell in love with them, i know CONSIDER of buying hc model of the Hornet. Without experiencing the simplified F15 i would not. So i think simpler models do support DCS series as a diving board to more complex planes, and if not, what's wrong for me to support your Platform of Choice in simming by buying F15 or Su27 style planes rather than not buying anything at all?

 

I understand though that some people might fear that DCS would become an arcade game or atleast it would have a reputation of an arcade game due to simpler planes. But i don't think this as a threat.

 

 

Good point... Not to mention... a threat against what exactly? More, better platforms? And from whom?

 

1997 was a long time ago - and fidelity on a level like some of the modules getting released, available to an average consumer like me? That's still something relatively new; if not that, much less obscure.

 

But It's not as if DCS has much competition.

 

You could argue the market has been smaller; but as somebody who's thoroughly enjoyed the A-10C, the Mig-21 and the UH-1? If it meant waiting a year to fly a simplified Typhoon, against other simplified Rafales (just picking two randoms), as opposed to waiting 2-4 and running the risk of not seeing additional platforms at all?

 

Who says I won't buy BOTH SSM until an HFM platform comes out?

 

I get the idea; High Fidelity or nothing at all... but if you don't want it - just dont buy it :D

Edited May 20, 2015 by ghostmedic171
Derpy spelling ;D