OT kinda : Venuzula may sell their f16's and replace with the SU37????

[Pilotasso]

All you said about the development cost overruns and technology is true, but I fail to see how its too old already and how it will be "massacred by the Su-30MKI". There is no UCAV in sight to act as fighters nor would the software for them released outside of the US so soon anyway. Combat UCAV's are still decades into the future, and historicaly it has been a repetitive occurrence that in any new fighter concept theres always criticism to the design and theories of combat that have not yet happened neither did they verify as true as the years went by.

 

The JSF will happen and despite its development trouble it wont be replaced by an UCAV during its deleiveries nor will it be underpowered. All that has been released so far suggests that it will vastly surpass every 3rd gen fighter of the same class, it will overpower the Gripen and perhaps the rafale as well and it will be armed with long range missiles.

[tflash]

Pilottasso,

 

According to airforces Monthly june 2006 at least the British MoD is much more sceptic than you are, having profound doubts about integration of Meteor and Asraam and most of all of the Air-to-air capabilities of what is more and more emerging as a bomb truck. F-35 + F-22 makes sense, but F-35 on its own doens't seem an equally all-round solution as F-16 has been.

[Pilotasso]

There are requirements for air defense of the UK carrier fleet. You will see that despite the concers the JSF will be armed accordingly. Its still being developed so its too soon to say they will just give up because of some "concerns".

 

The hard part was to design the aircraft. Its utterly stupid not to clear AMRAAM and other missiles usage because of some technicalities. Bellyaching will not stop a primary requirement of the type.

[Shaman]

This is getting interesting. It's more then just another AIM-120 thread.

 

Combat UCAV's are still decades into the future, and historicaly it has been a repetitive occurrence that in any new fighter concept theres always criticism to the design and theories of combat that have not yet happened neither did they verify as true as the years went by.

Well I must say I completely agree with that.

[chrno120]

UCAVs? Reminds me of that "Stealth" movie in which USN downs everyone & everything.. Ohh.. Poor civies will soon be mutated after that Nuclear dose..

 

I think I heard that plot before, Yes, Macross Plus is it?

 

 

Anyways, whats the point if our adverseries are terrorists who rarely show themselves & hides in caves, well at least we can bomb something.. :joystick:

[Force_Feedback]

UCAVs? Reminds me of that "Stealth" movie in which USN downs everyone & everything.. Ohh.. Poor civies will soon be mutated after that Nuclear dose..

 

I think I heard that plot before, Yes, Macross Plus is it?

 

 

Anyways, whats the point if our adverseries are terrorists who rarely show themselves & hides in caves, well at least we can bomb something.. :joystick:

 

That's why I think the F-22/Typhoon/Rafale/MFI jets are unnecessary, well, the Typhoon and Rafale are both defisned to be multirole, the F-22 isn't. So the plastic duckie won't swim very long, dispite its air dominance and other LM propaganda. I believe the F-35 will be much better suited for today's and tommorows world, as you have both a modern aiframe and a respectable bomb capacity and speed.

 

Very cool that the F-22 can toss amraams at target over 60km away without being seen, too bad those amraams don't work against disgrunted people that fight in name of god with creative and cheap solutions (I admire their ingenuity in ways to kill people).

Why won't the US just hire some mercenaries that were former terrorists to go and hunt down their enemy, whoever it may be in the next decade? Ground warfare is the future, no need for stealthy planes when the enemy is amongst the population and doesn't wear uniforms. Same thing applies to every nation, even the allies of the US, even if the US were to invade them, they will start partizan movements to hinder the occupation. Well, perhaps not in this country, as we are known to be the pussies of Europe, giving up as soon as we realize we won't win the war. The Finnish and Swedes however, well, we can learn from eachother.

 

Argh, gone OT, it may very well be that in the future there will be big flocks of UCAVs massing the enemy airspace, giving the enemy no chance of winning the airwar due to numbers. Having lots of small UCAVS, each carrying 1-2 medium ranged missiles is better than having 4 plaes that are stealthy, but can fire only 6 missiles. Even if the opposing force will shoot down like 4 ucavs, then the others will fire their missiles, even if they're less advanced than the expensive stealth plane.

And UCAVs don't have pilots that can get stuck :D

[Pilotasso]

Very cool that the F-22 can toss amraams at target over 60km away without being seen, too bad those amraams don't work against disgrunted people that fight in name of god with creative and cheap solutions (I admire their ingenuity in ways to kill people).

:poster_offtopic:

..and I wonder how creatively they managed to become stupid enough to undermine any chance of future for themselves and the culture they claim to be protecting (more like killing too). Back to topic please.

[169th_Crusty]

That's why I think the F-22/Typhoon/Rafale/MFI jets are unnecessary, well, the Typhoon and Rafale are both defisned to be multirole, the F-22 isn't. So the plastic duckie won't swim very long, dispite its air dominance and other LM propaganda. I believe the F-35 will be much better suited for today's and tommorows world, as you have both a modern aiframe and a respectable bomb capacity and speed.

 

...(I admire their ingenuity in ways to kill people).

Why won't the US just hire some mercenaries that were former terrorists to go and hunt down their enemy, whoever it may be in the next decade? Ground warfare is the future, no need for stealthy planes when the enemy is amongst the population and doesn't wear uniforms. Same thing applies to every nation, even the allies of the US, even if the US were to invade them, they will start partizan movements to hinder the occupation...

 

Hehe, I think you`re getting a little ahead of yourself:smartass: ...

Now, former terrorists as mercs? - Yes, former and current ones are being used as... snitches. The "terminal" part is being done by the troops, with

joy:) Crusty out...

[TucksonSonny]

That's why I think the F-22/Typhoon/Rafale/MFI jets are unnecessary, well, the Typhoon and Rafale are both defisned to be multirole, the F-22 isn't. So the plastic duckie won't swim very long, dispite its air dominance and other LM propaganda. I believe the F-35 will be much better suited for today's and tommorows world, as you have both a modern aiframe and a respectable bomb capacity and speed.

 

Very cool that the F-22 can toss amraams at target over 60km away without being seen, too bad those amraams don't work against disgrunted people that fight in name of god with creative and cheap solutions (I admire their ingenuity in ways to kill people).

Why won't the US just hire some mercenaries that were former terrorists to go and hunt down their enemy, whoever it may be in the next decade? Ground warfare is the future, no need for stealthy planes when the enemy is amongst the population and doesn't wear uniforms. Same thing applies to every nation, even the allies of the US, even if the US were to invade them, they will start partizan movements to hinder the occupation. Well, perhaps not in this country, as we are known to be the pussies of Europe, giving up as soon as we realize we won't win the war. The Finnish and Swedes however, well, we can learn from eachother.

 

Argh, gone OT, it may very well be that in the future there will be big flocks of UCAVs massing the enemy airspace, giving the enemy no chance of winning the airwar due to numbers. Having lots of small UCAVS, each carrying 1-2 medium ranged missiles is better than having 4 plaes that are stealthy, but can fire only 6 missiles. Even if the opposing force will shoot down like 4 ucavs, then the others will fire their missiles, even if they're less advanced than the expensive stealth plane.

And UCAVs don't have pilots that can get stuck :D

 

Anyway we just entered a new era where each year a new nuclear power sees the light.

Guess who did start this chain reaction?

->Israel,India->? China->? Holland<-->Pakistan<->N. Korea ->Iran->Syria-> ->Saudi Arabia? :bomb:

OT: Looks like future air forces will have a lot of work to clean up all the future nuke launcher sites.

From a documentary on TV I learn that about 4000 air strikes are necessary to wipe out (to burn through) the under ground bunker facilities with nuclear centrifuges in Iran.

Anyway my point is that you can’t do this with UCAV’s.