britgliderpilot Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I did also read all this fancy stuff about the 22 too but I am still not convinced that at the end of the engagement the 22 would have scored more than 5 kills. My point is at the end of the engagement you look at 6 kills (1x22 and 5xSu) with 1 Su going home! (Outnumbered) BTW, I was already reading technical articles about HOJ since the beginning of my falcon period (read 1999! Believe me I know a lot about HOJ and jamming! About RWR I will talk later. BTW, It is 22:25 in Belgium! Good night! You read the reports about the F16 and F15 pilots doing multiple WVR exercises on the F-22? WVR kills . . . . . aren't happening ;) And that's with six on . . . . . when minimum of four of them are dead BVR, you don't even have to think about the outcome. Come on - this is what the F-22 was designed to do! You can only develop an aircraft designed to beat the F-15 so far . . . . and it's not this far . . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
GGTharos Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Ok Tucksonsonny ... I'm just correcting the obvious, glaring gaps in your knowledge ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
The Beast Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 i have two comments to add to this conversation. 1. In your six vs 1 senario your right one raptor wont kill six -35's but six -35s cant kill what they cant see. How does splitting up help any if you have no clue where the -22 is. and normally there will be 2 -22s up working together the one firing the missles gets the info from the other guy. Just something to think about. 2. its all about the pilot.
Guest Cali Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I think it was getting to hot and heavy for Tuckson. Reading what you guys have been talking about as givin me a headache :) Love the arguements though.
D-Scythe Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Anybody that thinks 6 Su-30/35s can surround and attack 1 F-22 from multiple directions is smoking some seriously good stuff. Or HOJ an F-22. Seriously good stuff.
Frostie Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Anybody that thinks 6 Su-30/35s can surround and attack 1 F-22 from multiple directions is smoking some seriously good stuff. Or HOJ an F-22. Seriously good stuff. You were too slow Mr. Scythe the prey has flown, gone to bed, you missed a good debate, maybe tomorrow you will be more alert and catch him good.:D "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Shepski Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Come on - this is what the F-22 was designed to do! I thought the F-22 was designed to float on a lake... at least that's what that ugly thing they call an aircraft looks like it's best at doing. :D
Guest Cali Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 I thought the F-22 was designed to float on a lake... at least that's what that ugly thing they call an aircraft looks like it's best at doing. :D How can you call the F-22 ugly, thats one mean lookin bird...ready to kill.
Shepski Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 It is... IMO of course... the forward fuselage looks like it was designed in a ship yard. :) Clip the wings and vert stabs and you have a boat.
Guest Cali Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 It is... IMO of course... the forward fuselage looks like it was designed in a ship yard. :) Clip the wings and vert stabs and you have a boat. That would be 1 fast stealthy speed boat then.
Shepski Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 That would be 1 fast stealthy speed boat then. Hehe... fast ya but stealthy with the wake it would leave behind? ;)
S77th-GOYA Posted May 28, 2006 Posted May 28, 2006 Hehe... fast ya but stealthy with the wake it would leave behind? ;) Submarine
AerialHawk Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 And here another "it's better because it's american" thread. Ignorance is bliss.
GGTharos Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Ignorance of what? :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 They could call it the "SUBRAAM" How would you spamraam then? :( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Maximus_G Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 the Su-30MKI cost to India 35$ per unit. Now THAT'S what i call real price dumping! :D I'm really not sure how any of your Su-35's are going to be sneaking by in the face of all this, especially since the 22 will be tracking them from 160km out and they'll barely be even aware if at all. Su-35 is not really a fighter to mess with F-22. It's just intended to succesfully compete with the aging fleet of fighters from around the world at the export market. New airframe, new engines, missiles, radar, electronics and eos, everything they got is gonna be there to keep the plane adequate till ~2012, when the 5th gen comes out. Some graphics of a new Su-35 (Su-27BM) http://forum.sukhoi.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=56065&d=1148542555 http://forum.sukhoi.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=56066&d=1148543709
Guest IguanaKing Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Good retort, Rugg. I guess that previous statement rules GG out as ever having fired an M4. I shoot one regularly, and the damn thing...well...I just can't seem to get it to jam like myth would have it. Its got a nice, wide ejection port, and you can pretty much put one round through the hole the last one made EVERY TIME, regardless of barrel heating, using your BZO sight. One thing I don't like about the M4's and other AR-15-based rifles though is that the damn buffer spring makes my ears ring through bone induction. Aside from that, the M4 is a superb rifle. Keep your upper receiver relatively clean and your gas-rings staggered...she won't let you down. Blowback into the bolt-carrier group is an issue, but its pretty easy to keep up with. Just pop that rear take-down pin with your knuckle, and out it comes.
Slammin Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I did also read all this fancy stuff about the 22 too but I am still not convinced that at the end of the engagement the 22 would have scored more than 5 kills. My point is at the end of the engagement you look at 6 kills (1x22 and 5xSu) with 1 Su going home! (Outnumbered) BTW, I was already reading technical articles about HOJ since the beginning of my falcon period (read 1999! Believe me I know a lot about HOJ and jamming! About RWR I will talk later. BTW, It is 22:25 in Belgium! Good night! You do this everytime; pit YOU against all logic, and always against the odds. Entertaining, though. Abit IN9 32x MAX- Kentsfield QX6700 @3520 1.5 vcore watercooled D-Tek Fuzion/PA-160/MCR120/2x MCP655 2x2GB G-Skill 1066 5-5-5-15 2T@1.9vdimm 2x EVGA 580GTX 1.5GB SLI 2x 74GB Sata Raptor Raid0 2x 320GB Hitachi Sata II X-FI Elite Pro Dell U3011 Lian Li V2100B Corsair HX1000
Guest IguanaKing Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Heh...its only a matter of time before the Kobra and/or Cope India come up...they always do in these discussions. :megalol:
Guest Hell Sqn Protos Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 The M16 series of rifles is the most accurate 5.56 rifle fielded by an army today. Its good, buts its not the best. There are HKs and Sigs that are better.
Rhen Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 All I know is that the undisputed king of air to air - the Eagle, gets its butt handed to it when going against the Raptor. The SA in the pit is tremendous and with the slammer-D, you can see when the slammer gets autonomous lock on it's target and if it loses lock during its flight. It integrates anything with a data link (JSTARS, AWACS, RJ, you name it) without shining your radar anywhere. Then there's the radar, which has virtually no scan rate, can lock and jam a contact simultaneously, and can paint a fighter sized contact at significantly greater distances than any competitor out there. I'd much rather be in a 4ship of Raptors with 24 slammers, than in any other 4ship of any other type of fighter out there. Sorry, but despite it's price tag, it still leverages the tech out there better than anything else flying. This isn't about US vs Russian vs European tech, it's about new tech vs old tech.
Guest IguanaKing Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Its good, buts its not the best. There are HKs and Sigs that are better. Heh...well...I guess I can't argue with that either. Heckler-Koch definitely makes some fine firearms...I wouldn't trade my USP 45 for all the tea in China. AWESOME weapon. :D Just a word of support for GG in his last post though...I love it how the "ignorance is bliss" crowd never seems to be able to back up their words with a solid argument. Its kinda comical actually. :D
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