June 2nd... NEW Black Shark Screenshots

[SuperKungFu]

Originally Posted by 941st_Rage

Respect to superkungfu for his relentlessly advocating new models for the flanker:v:

 

+1

 

 

I second that. Way to go Superkungfu :thumbup:

 

 

Monnie

 

lol thanks, i do what i do best- nag like a woman. But its time to take the whole issue of new models to a new level. Look for my request here: http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=16432

[brewber19]

Hi Alpha,

 

Sorry I didnt respond sooner...been away a few days. Aaaanyways...

 

That's all fine, but airtito's point is valid. There could be many good reasons for wanting a flyable US helicopter, but the ability to "dogfight" with the Ka-50 is not one of them.

 

I dont have an argument for or against a US helicopter...my original post simlply considered the scenario of BS pilots having no direct human opposition when playing online....whether the opposition is natural or appropriate is not a question either...just that a BS pilots online experience might not be that different from offline...other than Teamspeak and getting fragged by every mother-loving SOB in a fighter ;) So, originally I was simply asking a question, not stating a preference.

 

As far as AirTito's (?) post, I took umbrage at his/her attitude that just because Hogs & Frogs or BS & AH64s are not natural or intended opposition, as a bomber pilot I enjoy (and revel) in downing fighters or anything else....because its really funny for a Frog to down a fighter AND....a Hog/Frog dogfight is cracking good fun...as I hope most Hog pilots would agree (damn you all, my R-60's just bounce off you Hogs :()

 

Whilst LO is a "simulator"...it is ultimately just a "high fidelity" game...so we all do things in the sim that in RL would be inappropriate/wholly suicidal (like yanking and banking in a fully-laden Frog...for a start).

 

Yes unless you are suggesting the implementation of player controlled ground vehicules.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

LOL, nope, not suggesting that. I suspect in BS I will happy playing against AI...just as I am in FC, since I essentially do the same thing in my Frog.

 

I'm not for/against a US helo...or any other "human" participant, I was just originally asking the question and subsequently responding to AirTito's assumptive post about us Hog/Frog pilots.

 

Thanks for responding though, and sorry for my late reply.

[brewber19]

Hi AirTito,

 

Sorry for my delayed reply, been away for a few days. Anyways...

 

I'm sure about your satisfaction of shooting down enemies, but do you fly, like i said, intentionally dogfight missions with your Su-25? If you do, then I admire your enthusiasm and I might start flying kamikaze missions against aircraft carriers with my Su-27:D

 

No, I don't intentionally fly my Frog to kill Hogs (oh alright, except on one map on 504 server :D), but that wasn't my point or issue, either in my original post or my first reply to you. My initial post was simply whether a BS pilot has a human opponent in a rotor A/C...whether appropriate or not. My reason for initially asking that wasn't related to a US chopper being a target per se...but immersiveness in the battlefield...with no enemy rotor A/C...it would feel like me flying on my own just killing ground targets (and waiting to get smacked by an Eagle driver...grrr) - which would be a shame...and very similar to offline play.

 

However, feel free to do a few kamikaze missions...they can be an interesting diversion :D (504 have recently started a 504 air display training....and thats like kamikaze with my flying :joystick: ).

 

 

I'm pretty sure that any RL CAS pilot will try attack anything he defines as foe, be it ground or airborne. That's why Su-25 and A-10 have a couple of R-60s/AIM-9s for selfdefence, just in case... But none of them will scramble into fighter sweep or intercept mission.

 

Agreed/true...and nor the hell do I...unless our airfield is (or will be) vulched...then I will launch my frog against any incoming A/C. Yes, this is suicide, but its just a game and helps my online team out (i.e. lets my fighters take-off while stupid blues are hunting me :music_whistling: ).

 

 

I fully agree with you. We both fly online for one and the same reason. If you want helo head-to-head why don't you fly the Ka-50 even from one side. I guess you fly mostly on the VVS504th server, I also fly online pretty much(actualy I almost never fly offline) on the RvE Guns Only and Scudslaker servers and 3/4 from all fly the Su-27. Few are flying the F-15 and the rest. So I don't see any problem why you can't "dogfight" with helo in BS, which is still quiet meaningless to me. For me, a dedicated Flanker pilot, it's like bombing an enemy aircraft carrier and it's escort with iron bombs... Can't see to much of a fun or logic in that...

 

I fully expect BS to be in several coalitions, just to allow this scenario. (I do mostly fly on 504 server...I've tried a few others but none of them are as much fun for me...although I like the 44th's and a Russian one whose name I cant remember atm.) Like I said, I won't deliberately fly BS to attack other helos...but I don't consider splashing enemy helos as "meaningless"...in the same way as I don't consider a Flanker dropping iron "meaningless"...it has the capability...therefore it can be used (not should, just can).

 

My umbrage at your initial post was your dismissal of me (us?), a bomber pilot, and my willingness/satisfaction/purpose of striking targets that may or may not be "natural" to the A/C I fly...nothing more, nothing less. I don't intentionally fly my Frog to kill Hogs BUT....I will intentionally look for them over the battlefield while I am striking targets...so I can protect our ground assets (killing Hogs with a vikr is sooooo funny...and my r-60s bouncing off a Hog is so NOT funny :cry: )

 

Anyways, I guess we've both said our bit....now I'll go and take my HRT and stop being a whining over-sensitive woman.

[Allochtoon]

I doubt that there's a single CAS plane pilot who intentionaly fly A-10 vs. Su-25 online. It's pointless.

 

Whats more fun then joining a airquake server in an su25 or a-10 and killing 2 sukhoi-27's in a row in a turn and burn fight?

[brewber19]

LOL...agreed :D

[RvETito]

Whats more fun then joining a airquake server in an su25 or a-10 and killing 2 sukhoi-27's in a row in a turn and burn fight?

 

For you it may be fun, but to me it sounds more like a miracle. But what do I know- miracles really happen!:D

 

Seriously, this is a product that anyone should enjoy the way he/she likes it. I'm too far away of the idea to argue with people about the way they are having the best fun. I wouldn't accept someone to tell me how I like my Lock-On the most and I'll never say such BS to anyone. You like flying bombers- good for you! You shoot down enemies with your bomb skytruck- you're the man, go for it! All I wanted to say is that I don't see a reason of having another helicopter for online opposition, at least in LOBS. May be in the future, in a dedicated ground attack sim like Tank Killer it would make more sense.

 

P.S. About attacking ships with dumb weapons- I've done it many times, from Flanker 2.5 till now. Be it bombs or rockets- the Vinson, or any other ship, had no chance. But I got bored and I stopped doing it...:D:D:D

[brewber19]

Hi Tito,

 

Yeah, I used to just fly Su25/25T...but since some of us in the 504 started an aerobatics training, I've been enjoying the Su27....amazing how much concentration it takes to fly formation...no dropping bombs, no afterburners, no payload...just flying with my lead's wingtip light nice and big in my 10oclock...kinda fun ;), and thats even with SFM.

 

I'm sure BS will be alot of fun, and Tank Killers with an AFM-coded A-10 should be really good...I currently find the A-10 just too easy to fly/fight, which isnt the fault of the sim per se...its more that Fairchild got it right in terms of avionics & flight model, its low-pilot workload to fly and fight..which is perfect for RL pilots...just much less of a challenge (i.e. enjoyment, for me) in game.

 

I guess these might be my epitaph when BS comes out, lol :D

 

I'm a closet rotorhead at heart, although the last helo sim I played was Comanche 3 (Comanche 4 was a steaming pile of arcade poo), so I'm really looking forward to BS, in whatever shape it arrives...Im also hoping for some tweaks to the mission editor (as I make a few missions for the 504 to play)..but I aint holding my breath.

 

Anyways, may be I'll see you on one of the servers you listed..I'll have to make some time to pop in and have a go...the guns only server sounds like great fun (i love gunzo fights, especially in Su25...no radar assistance!).

 

catch ya later.

[RvETito]

Yeah, I used to just fly Su25/25T...but since some of us in the 504 started an aerobatics training, I've been enjoying the Su27....amazing how much concentration it takes to fly formation...no dropping bombs, no afterburners, no payload...just flying with my lead's wingtip light nice and big in my 10oclock...kinda fun ;), and thats even with SFM.

 

Oh, formation flying is much harder to master than gunzo. At the above mentioned servers we also fly formation, well, at least we try:) Still long way to go just to get close to the best performers out there. But sometimes, especialyl at sunrise or sunset I can see some really stunning scenes that makes me hold my breath... Like this...

 

 

I'm a closet rotorhead at heart...

 

Well, that's what I do for living;)

 

Anyways, may be I'll see you on one of the servers you listed..I'll have to make some time to pop in and have a go...the guns only server sounds like great fun (i love gunzo fights, especially in Su25...no radar assistance!).

 

Be my guest. I would always like to fly online with people who knows how to enjoy themselves and respect the other people in the session.

[dynamocl]

Yeah, some nice shots can be had, not the best, just one I can access while at work:

 

 

 

Look closely enough, you can see Brewber waving back, while in a loose wedge formation. 25Ts can fly formation too.

 

(To the 504s, you talk about doing displays etc, why don't the guys who are better at flying (due to the AFM) i.e. the 25 pilots, try formation flying? everyone flys the fast jets, go for something different, I am sure a much more interesting display could be made, especially with some of the quirts the 25Ts FM has).

 

 

Airtito, is that green cross hair a pad lock or something? Just curious as I have never used it.

[504 Wolverine]

Dynamocl, you didn't see these and they were certainly not posted by me

.....shhhh..... :smilewink:

 

 

 

 

[dynamocl]

See what?? :)

 

Nice flying, not seen BlackWidow around before, new guy? Some nice flying there, (apart from the lagging 25T), not you by any chance :)

 

If you ever want another frog pilot to get in close, just give me a shout (when I get my PC up and running again). Good work.

[504 Wolverine]

Blackwidow has been a member for quite a while but is away for university work so the Su-25T team is on hold at the mo. As for positions, I am the lead a/c (Red 64). hehehe.

 

Anytime you want to fly with us just give either me, brewber or another squad member a shout and we will arrange something. :)

[Witchking]

lol! here I go ranting again:

 

ED PLEASE PLEASe give us explosions like these....dust and debris in them...better colour...better animation.

 

[RvETito]

25Ts can fly formation too.

 

I don't a reason why it couldn't. There was even a demo team flying Su-25 from Kubinka airbase, it was called "Nebesnye gussaryi". I'm not sure wether they exist anymore, they are not as popular as the Vityazi and Strizhi.

 

Airtito, is that green cross hair a pad lock or something? Just curious as I have never used it.

 

Yes, this is the padlock view. It's funny where it is pointed now- in the other pilot's head:) in Flanker 2 it was pointed in the center of gravity(or close to it) of the plane. I'm used to it from F2.5, for me it's the only one alternative, particaly replacing a head tracking device, such as TrackIR.

[Glowing_Amraam]

Witchking, i have to disagree with you a LITTLE. Just a little. Because the ground explosions in lomac are pretty good, all they need now is a small makeover with dust and debries beeing kicked up. They would totally rock!

 

I wish for better mid-air explosions though. They look kinda fake the way it is now.

 

EDIT: look what i smashed up lol:

 

http://www.home.no/amraam/boom_3.wmv

[brewber19]

(To the 504s, you talk about doing displays etc, why don't the guys who are better at flying (due to the AFM) i.e. the 25 pilots, try formation flying? everyone flys the fast jets, go for something different, I am sure a much more interesting display could be made, especially with some of the quirts the 25Ts FM has).

 

Hi Dynamo,

 

Yeah, I would prefer to train aerobatics in the T, but most of the 504 ppl interested in flying "aero" are fighters...and the Su27 is the easiest to learn in...and tbh, some of us (me) are really learning.

 

I think I can fly a pretty good close formation in T, compared to the 27, but its fun and requires a huge amount of concentration. If the 25T aerobatics team gets going again, I might mutiny and join Wolverine (;)), although Breakshot (our lead 27) might be upset (although, he's seen me flying...he might be glad if I desert?).

 

Anyways, when ur back up and running and if we're all still up to it, we'd be glad to have you along...you know you want to be in the 504 really....everybody does :D

[Witchking]

Witchking, i have to disagree with you a LITTLE. Just a little. Because the ground explosions in lomac are pretty good, all they need now is a small makeover with dust and debries beeing kicked up. They would totally rock!

 

I wish for better mid-air explosions though. They look kinda fake the way it is now.

 

EDIT: look what i smashed up lol:

 

http://www.home.no/amraam/boom_3.wmv

 

lol! nice movie buddy. But have you tried pacific fighters with all the patches before? Look at the explosions in that game. They are amazing, FPS friendly ...full of dust and debris. Well...Lomac explosions ...atleast some of the ground ones are fine 'if' they can have dust + debris added to them. :) . So I kinda agree with what u say...but I believe they can improve on it.

 

BTW...a little OT...I made my movie in LOMAC at 15fps .....how do I double the speed.