gienkov Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 What happened that resulted in the issue? A: Turning on BHOT or WHOT FLIR mode kills my FPS by over 40. What were you doing that caused, or seemed to cause the issue? A: Turned on FLIR mode on TGP, turned on MAV camera. Also I was listening to new Disturbed album but I don't think this is related. Could you reproduce it? A: Always. What module where you using, and does it happen with others? A: A-10C. On KA-50 turning on map view on ABRIS also kills my FPS but only by 10. But still. A track I'm using Instant Action scenarios for testing. A screenshot System specs http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=122237&stc=1&d=1443771723 DCS World logs http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=122238&stc=1&d=1443771873specs.zipdcs.zip
Cytt0rak Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Tried it same for me aswell. FLIR kills fps. Tried AGM 65D it killed fps too didnt try other mavericks. SPEC i5 4690k gtx 970 8gigs ram
Mayo2017 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Same here, FLIR modes on A-10C TGP drop my average from ~120 to ~70. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sobek Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 What is your cockpit screen resolution set to? Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
ody81 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I think I'm experiencing this, except for the WHOT/BHOT. If I switch both mfds to TGP and MAV, bam goes the framerate. doesn't seem to matter if FLIR is on or off though. Never was a problem before _always used TGP to slave to MAV). Edit: my mfds are set to 1024. I'll make a track later on. Edited October 2, 2015 by ody81
sobek Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 my mfds are set to 1024. I'll make a track later on. Every frame or just plain 1024? Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
ody81 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Every frame or just plain 1024? Normally I use every frame, but under the circumstances I'm using plain 1024. There seems to be no difference in performance between the two, either setting still hits the framerate hard. One MFD on is fine (TGP or MAV), but it's both together that's the killer. My specs are: I5-4670K, 16gb RAM, nvidia 760gtx, non-ssd hdd, Windows 10, Trackir5, Saitek x52. Never had a frame drop before and I am seeing performance increases everywhere else (now using no tree shadows by Mustang) Hope this helps a little until I get a track file for you. Edited October 2, 2015 by ody81 typo
Gary Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I've not done extensive tests or anything but in a mission I built it was very noticable that FPS were crushed when the MAV screen was on. TPG on seemed not to make any difference?? (not that I could notice anyway) Just the MAV screen for me?? When that screen isn't on though...wow!! My specs are modest...I5 HP laptop with 16gb ram...HD7600m (I think) and standard hard drive. Aside from being limited to a rather poor 1300x768 screen res I'm a very happy bunny... edit: 1024 (not every)....will try 512 and 256 and report back if that helps? Edited October 2, 2015 by Gary I5 - 1TB SSHD, 256 SSD - Nvidia 1070 - 16gb ram - CV1
gienkov Posted October 2, 2015 Author Posted October 2, 2015 You need to switch TGP to FLIR to notice it. MAV has only FLIR mode so you get framedrop instantly.
Gary Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 You need to switch TGP to FLIR to notice it. MAV has only FLIR mode so you get framedrop instantly. Ah ok....I've only just mastered turning TGP on! - now you want me to switch modes too!!...lol.... Think its safe to say FLIR display is the issue...whether on MAV or TGP Assume if you have it both displays it compounds the problem? Hopefully not too diffucult to fix...:cry: I5 - 1TB SSHD, 256 SSD - Nvidia 1070 - 16gb ram - CV1
gienkov Posted October 2, 2015 Author Posted October 2, 2015 Propably shader issue. With both on I have slideshow. You switch to BHOT with Boat switch FWD (RALT+RIGHT), for WHOT - Boat switch LEFT (RALT+LEFT), default mode is CCD and you switch to it with Boat switch CENTER (RALT+DOWN). Try it ;).
Punisher74 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Propably shader issue. With both on I have slideshow. You switch to BHOT with Boat switch FWD (RALT+RIGHT), for WHOT - Boat switch LEFT (RALT+LEFT), default mode is CCD and you switch to it with Boat switch CENTER (RALT+DOWN). Try it ;). yes each different position kills FPS in different ways. Center switch is the best out of them all but its harder to find enemies. and that's even Crossfired. Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
NhiTrac Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Strange. Mines silky smooth even with TGP and MAV screen on. I only use 512 cockpit res though. Intel i5 4670 | GTX 970 | 8 gb Ram | Windows 10 Thrustmaster Warthog | Saitek Rudders | Logitech G27 | Astro A40
Gary Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 I've not done extensive tests or anything but in a mission I built it was very noticable that FPS were crushed when the MAV screen was on. TPG on seemed not to make any difference?? (not that I could notice anyway) Just the MAV screen for me?? When that screen isn't on though...wow!! My specs are modest...I5 HP laptop with 16gb ram...HD7600m (I think) and standard hard drive. Aside from being limited to a rather poor 1300x768 screen res I'm a very happy bunny... edit: 1024 (not every)....will try 512 and 256 and report back if that helps? Tried 512 and 256...no noticable gain. Soon as the FLIR is on screen my FPS really drop...makes FLIR unusable atm. Any suggestions? - pretty sure my GFX driver is latest...worth me trying an older version? Regards, Gary I5 - 1TB SSHD, 256 SSD - Nvidia 1070 - 16gb ram - CV1
ody81 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Strange. Mines silky smooth even with TGP and MAV screen on. I only use 512 cockpit res though. Hmmm, I'll give 512 a shot right now, can't imagine it'd make a difference but I'll try it and report back.
ody81 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Okay, I'm back. 512 for me is the same performance dip. both MFDs on TGP and/or MAV crush the framerate. One MFD drops the framerate pretty badly in itself when FLIR is active. Anyway, here's my track from just now, no fancy flying, just a very quick startup and takeoff while the EO initalized. https://www.dropbox.com/s/f6lx00n08c29o8w/FLIR%20Performance.trk?dl=0 Hope this helps.
Punisher74 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Okay, I'm back. 512 for me is the same performance dip. both MFDs on TGP and/or MAV crush the framerate. One MFD drops the framerate pretty badly in itself when FLIR is active. Anyway, here's my track from just now, no fancy flying, just a very quick startup and takeoff while the EO initalized. https://www.dropbox.com/s/f6lx00n08c29o8w/FLIR%20Performance.trk?dl=0 Hope this helps. It should show a difference, after I was shown the lalt + Enter turned on the 2nd GPU my start up A-10C FPS is 120FPS then I get the A-10C started up FPS drops to about 110fps takeoff and fly to combat area still about 110 FPS as I turn the MFCD to TGP ON FPS DROPS to 40 FPS if lucky. That's with the pit res at 1024 and 512. That a major bug!!! Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
Gary Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Although I'm not on SLI or Crossfire I wonder if lalt + enter makes any differance? I5 - 1TB SSHD, 256 SSD - Nvidia 1070 - 16gb ram - CV1
Punisher74 Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Although I'm not on SLI or Crossfire I wonder if lalt + enter makes any differance? It shouldn't I assume it's a way to preserve the 2nd GPU from not being over used. The LALT + Enter is like a bypass to tell the 2nd GPU to enter high performance mode at all times. As I wrote the FLIR still drops my FPS by 36% 110 FPS to 40 FPS. Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
Gary Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Ok...I will wait for the fix. Assuming its not only half a dozen of us with the problem? - Do you know if its a common issue for most of us or not? I5 - 1TB SSHD, 256 SSD - Nvidia 1070 - 16gb ram - CV1
S-GERAT Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 I think it happens to all of us, so surely it is going to be solved soon
BSS_Sniper Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Ok...I will wait for the fix. Assuming its not only half a dozen of us with the problem? - Do you know if its a common issue for most of us or not? I'd think you probably aren't a great example being that you're playing DCS on a laptop. That isn't the greatest platform to be on to fly a complicated simulator. I9 9900k @ 5ghz water cooled, 32gb ram, GTX 2080ti, 1tb M.2, 2tb hdd, 1000 watt psu TrackIR 5, TM Warthog Stick and Throttle, CH Pedals
FSKRipper Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Hey guys, I tried to recreate your problems on my end but I had no success. There is a really minor drop when using Whot but nothing substancial like in your cases. Bhot isn't changing anything in performance. Anything you could add? I know some of you use SLI/Crossfire but this shouldn't be the reason... I use 512 res for cockpit displays, single monitor setup at HD res. Edited October 3, 2015 by FSKRipper i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Gary Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) I'd think you probably aren't a great example being that you're playing DCS on a laptop. That isn't the greatest platform to be on to fly a complicated simulator. With the greatest of respect my system might not be all bells and whistles and I appreciate I might need to turn some of the eye candy off but just because its a laptop doesnt mean the parts are not capable! It has an i5 CPU - not too shabby I'd suggest Yes its a HD7670m gfx card - but dx11 compliant. Hard drive is a little irrelevant Screen display irrelevant Just what part of it being a laptop means I shouldnt be using it? If I glued it to my desk to make it less portable should I expect better performance?? :( Windows 8.1 16gb Ram Edited October 3, 2015 by Gary Other info I5 - 1TB SSHD, 256 SSD - Nvidia 1070 - 16gb ram - CV1
Punisher74 Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Ok...I will wait for the fix. Assuming its not only half a dozen of us with the problem? - Do you know if its a common issue for most of us or not? I agree it needs to run only once in-mission not in main menu, and no need to press anything. There is nothing I hate more the having to press extra buttons to get performance you should. That's what the SLI & Crossfire enable/disable options are for. And I stated it happens to me as well referring to FPS Drops with FLIR and Maverick Thanks, Lt. Commander Jason "Punisher" M Hardware: i7 10700K 5 GHz Quad Core, Water-cooled , 32GBs 2400 DDR4 RAM, MSI Intel Z470A GAMING MB, MSI RTX 3080 GPU W/10GBs GDDR6X, 512GB NVME.2 SSD, 1TB NVME.2 SSD, 2TB External SSD, 2 512Gb SSD's & 1 350 Gb HARDDRIVE, WinWing Orion 2 Stick Base and Throttle Base, Quest 2, Windows 11 (64bit)
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