This Syrian Mig-21 bombing (How do)

[pepin1234]

Hi folk.

 

We can bombing with a single pylon like you can see in this video?

 

I see this pilot should have a good skill to do this bombing with non stop maneuvering. He only use a single pylon, the left wing external station because is the downed wing in his inbound.

 

Edited November 2, 2015 by pepin1234

[Kobymaru]

I don't think single bomb dispensal is possible in DCS: Mig 21.

 

As for the maneuvering, I tried to make a similar bombing run:

 

The turn before dropping is actually necessary, because you don't see the target below you.

[QuiGon]

I can't test it right now, but it should be possible if you do it like the syrian pilot in the video: One bomb on the inner pylon and the other bomb on the outer pylon of the other wing.

[FSKRipper]

I think this came up some time ago. It seemed to be some kind of field modification.

[QuiGon]

What do you need to modify? Just hang one bomb on the inner pylon and one on the outer pylon. If you now select 1-2 on the weapon selection knob it will drop the bombs from both outer pylong. But since there is only one bomb on the outer pylons it will only drop one bomb.

[pepin1234]

I can't test it right now, but it should be possible if you do it like the syrian pilot in the video: One bomb on the inner pylon and the other bomb on the outer pylon of the other wing.

 

Well I was looking this at the video. Do you really think he used the external station left wing only with the internal station right wing only. Is not very clear to see that because the video quality and the sideway entry.

 

PD: is very confused. I see in the video 3 pylons per wing :(

Edited November 2, 2015 by pepin1234

[golani79]

Well I was looking this at the video. Do you really think he used the external station left wing only with the internal station right wing only. Is not very clear to see that because the video quality and the sideway entry.

 

PD: is very confused. I see in the video 3 pylons per wing :(

 

Looks like he was using an outer an and inner pylon.

 

[QuiGon]

It must be pretty painfull to fly like that without aileron trim :D

[scaflight]

Well I was looking this at the video. Do you really think he used the external station left wing only with the internal station right wing only. Is not very clear to see that because the video quality and the sideway entry.

 

PD: is very confused. I see in the video 3 pylons per wing :(

 

This is definitely what has been done on Syria's Fishbeds. You could give them a call and ask them how they're weighing the pros and cons of it all, but I'm not sure whether you'd get any answers. We can make a multitude of guesses, but none that are particularly informed.

 

Some reasons could be saving fuel (in turn increasing loiter times which matters a lot), limiting metal fatigue (old Fishbeds, old wings), a desire for proportionate response through lower explosive yield (which given the barrel bombing is not very likely), or saving ammunition. The latter is of course counterintuitive, unless you acknowledge that a Fishbed is very inaccurate, but that an aerial bombardment still produces a psychological effect. And that individual bases have their own supply situations. Who knows, really.

[Beta Sokol]

single bombing

 

Hi folks,

 

you can see it clearly, one bomb on pylon 2 (R/H inner), other side on pylon 3 (L/H outer). The other "pylons" are flap actuator covers.

Single bombing is normally not allowed, because of the uneven heavy load. They have to drop in pairs - says the flight manual.

[ody81]

Is small arms fire even a problem for a 21?

I assumed the gunfire was them firing at the jet.

[domini99]

Is small arms fire even a problem for a 21?

I assumed the gunfire was them firing at the jet.

A simple BTR-80 can shoot a Mig-21 to crap without difficulty. AI is ridiculously accurate.

[HugePanic]

Is small arms fire even a problem for a 21?

I assumed the gunfire was them firing at the jet.

 

 

A ak74 can shoot a mig21 into pieces. These are airplanes, not tanks. Even the mighty A10 is only armoured at the cockpit.

The golden bullet is still valid....

[Antoha]

Hi folk.

 

We can bombing with a single pylon like you can see in this video?

 

I see this pilot should have a good skill to do this bombing with non stop maneuvering. He only use a single pylon, the left wing external station because is the downed wing in his inbound.

 

 

Mig-21 can one bomb to drop?:music_whistling:

[mattebubben]

Mig-21 can one bomb to drop?:music_whistling:

 

This was already explained on the Previous Page.

 

He had 1 bomb on the inner pylon on one wing and the other on the outer pylon on the other wing.

 

That lets him drop one bomb when he selects inner pylons and the other bomb when he selects outer pylons.

[Antoha]

Not immediately saw that this bomb is located .I apologize for the English, use a translator googl )

[domini99]

A ak74 can shoot a mig21 into pieces. These are airplanes, not tanks. Even the mighty A10 is only armoured at the cockpit.

The golden bullet is still valid....

Yeah, my MFD's, CADC, CDU and engines can confirm.

[BadHabit]

Well the sim does not support that with bombs for now.. I gave it a try. Had two fabs 250's and two 24b's. One bomb in Outer pylon's, one in inner pylons, same goes for the 24b's (rockets). Selected rockets and was able to fire one by one by selecting one side the time. But bombs don't work at all. They CCIP does not connect (Pipper wont display CCIP) the bombs don't come off and even when i tried to Jettison them they don't come off...

[Dudikoff]

Well the sim does not support that with bombs for now.. I gave it a try. Had two fabs 250's and two 24b's. One bomb in Outer pylon's, one in inner pylons, same goes for the 24b's (rockets). Selected rockets and was able to fire one by one by selecting one side the time. But bombs don't work at all. They CCIP does not connect (Pipper wont display CCIP) the bombs don't come off and even when i tried to Jettison them they don't come off...

 

And without the rockets (i.e. bombs only)?

[BadHabit]

And without the rockets (i.e. bombs only)?

Same..Tried a lot o variants it doesn't matter. If it is a bomb it wont work. Probably it's a bug with bombs since the rockets work and also that you can not jettison them after you see that they don't come off. Also aerodynamic nightmare :p

[scaflight]

I assume you tried a single pair of bombs on different pylon pairs, instead of two pairs of bombs on mixed pylons? The Syrian video shows only the first, not the latter.

[BadHabit]

Y i was clear with my payload pylon 1-2 (fab-250)(24b) pylon 3-4 (24b)(fab250) also i tried the reverse and other kinds if bombs..they dont work. Rockets,missiles work had not tried s5's but i don't think anyone would like to try s5's in a single pylon..

 

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[Paradox]

This has been explained by Novak before, the MiG-21Bis that we have access to doesn't posess this capability, the Syrian MiG-21 in question has received a modification that allows this to happen.

 

I speculated that it was something to do with an open circuit on the empty pylon making the release clamps inoperable but I never got confirmation one way or the other.

[BadHabit]

Then what happens to the circuits while rockets are being loaded assymetricall?

This is what i discuss here. This is something that a pilot can use so he can save munitions . Aerodynamic speaking could lead to death, no modifucation should cause that error but since 24b can go of the rail why not a bomb?

If u ask me, i will continue to load assymetrical 24's and r3's my fav mix and very reliable payload :-*

 

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Edited November 10, 2015 by BadHabit

[BadHabit]

Then what happens to the circuits while rockets are being loaded assymetricall?

This is what i discuss here. This is something that a pilot can use so he can save munitions . Aerodynamic speaking could lead to death, no modifucation should cause that error but since 24b can go of the rail why not a bomb?

If u ask me i will continue to load assymetrical 24's and r3's my fav mix and very reliable payload :-*

 

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