Radio Issues and also

[zcrazyx]

So i have been having issues with the radio where i would be able to contact ground crew at a cold start but not the ATC baring in mind i have the Battery heat, inverters 1 and 2, Battery, DC Generator and Radio Switch in the up position (on the right hand electrical panel) as well as the correct radio channel entered and got nothing. I tried going into the mission editor spawned in a Mig-21 and tried contacting the atc and it worked and i tried that because i'd also been having some ILS problems with the SAU trying to kill me when i wanted it to follow the glide slope but when i tried with the air spawn in the editor it was fine so i believe the two to be a related issue.

 

So to sum it up:

-Radio will not work on a cold start even when the engine is on and spinning at a stable rpm with all electric on and the correct channel entered.

-Air spawning in the editor seems fix this issue

-PRMG(ILS) does not function correctly if the radio does not work correctly.

All of the above happen in both multiplayer and singleplayer.

 

Any Solutions?

[Elwood]

Did you set the right ATC channel on airport?

 

You will find an handy list in the knee-board.

 

No issue with RSBN or NDB navigation (channell/sector set as well).

As long as you are close/high enough to get the reassuring morse code, you will flight safe, without watching the map on F10.

[zcrazyx]

Did you set the right ATC channel on airport?

 

You will find an handy list in the knee-board.

 

No issue with RSBN or NDB navigation (channell/sector set as well).

As long as you are close/high enough to get the reassuring morse code, you will flight safe, without watching the map on F10.

 

I used the Kneeboard to specifically get the frequencies which were right however in multiplayer the radios could possibly be subject to change assuming that the creator messed with the frequencies (which i did not in editor) by the thing is that for example if i set the mig on the ground as a cold start aircraft and i had the frequency set to channel 8 it would not work but then if i put the height as 6000ft with a relevant speed and then loaded it the radio would work and with regards to the ILS there are videos of it trying to kill people i.e nosing down at a height where it cannot recover even if said aircraft was going fast enough to maintain a height.

[QuiGon]

Did you put the Radio/Compass sound selector switch to the radio position? You haven't mentioned that in the first post.

[zcrazyx]

Did you put the Radio/Compass sound selector switch to the radio position? You haven't mentioned that in the first post.

 

if you're referring to the one that resides on the main switch board above the the weapons switches yes.

[Dahlbeck]

I think there is one in a strange position on the left as well...? It's covered in the RSBN tutorial mission.

[zcrazyx]

I think there is one in a strange position on the left as well...? It's covered in the RSBN tutorial mission.

 

That is the one that swaps it from ARK to RSBN but that in itself does not directly stop the radio working.

[Elwood]

zcrazyx please post the mission and I'll give a try.

 

I had no issues in 3 ours of navigation and landing training on our lovelly 21.

 

about russian ils please pay attention to get the differents between yellow ADI needles and white HSI in cloud penetration and landing mode.

 

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[zcrazyx]

zcrazyx please post the mission and I'll give a try.

 

I had no issues in 3 ours of navigation and landing training on our lovelly 21.

 

about russian ils please pay attention to get the differents between yellow ADI needles and white HSI in cloud penetration and landing mode.

 

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It literally does not seem to work in the instant action cold start in Nalchik, when it does work it is only with placed units with their aircraft fully powered and flying. Could you post how you go about starting your MIG and how you configure the radio etc and i will try it that way, i tried the same starting procedure as shown on the Leatherneck Mig-21 youtube video.

I wonder if it could even be something in the controls.

Edited November 16, 2015 by zcrazyx

[grunf]

It seems there's something wrong with the radio in cold start instant action mission. I can't get the radio to work, but if I load the mission in the editor and start from there (without changing anything), it works fine. :huh:

[zcrazyx]

It seems there's something wrong with the radio in cold start instant action mission. I can't get the radio to work, but if I load the mission in the editor and start from there (without changing anything), it works fine. :huh:

 

That's my point, a strange occurrence, have you tried to do it in multiplayer servers as well? I think it varies from file to file though as the person can probably change the preset freqs that are attached to the channels (though i'm not sure why they would mess with this), In an MIG-21 Cold start guide it says to turn "SARPP-12 BLACK BOX" on and also it mentions something about a Radio light. Even if i followed the official one it would not work and also if i placed an aircraft on the ground in the mission editor that would not work either, it would only work if i spawned it in the air so i think it is definitely a cold start/ground issue.

 

Attached checklist below.

Edited November 16, 2015 by zcrazyx

[grunf]

That's my point, a strange occurrence, have you tried to do it in multiplayer servers as well? I think it varies from file to file though as the person can probably change the preset freqs that are attached to the channels (though i'm not sure why they would mess with this), In an MIG-21 Cold start guide it says to turn "SARPP-12 BLACK BOX" on and also it mentions something about a Radio light.

Only tried in SP.

I'm flying the mission now, and once in the air I can contact other airports, but not Nalchik. The frequency is most likely OK, since it works when starting from mission editor. Still worth checking.

 

As for the "SARPP-12 BLACK BOX", it's just a flight data recorder, not needed for the radio.

 

 

also if i placed an aircraft on the ground in the mission editor that would not work either, it would only work if i spawned it in the air so i think it is definitely a cold start/ground issue.

If you start on the ground but with all the systems on, does the radio work?

[zcrazyx]

Only tried in SP.

I'm flying the mission now, and once in the air I can contact other airports, but not Nalchik. The frequency is most likely OK, since it works when starting from mission editor. Still worth checking.

 

As for the "SARPP-12 BLACK BOX", it's just a flight data recorder, not needed for the radio.

 

 

 

If you start on the ground but with all the systems on, does the radio work?

 

i don't know, i don't know how to use the editor well so i can only spawn in aircraft that are turn t off

[grunf]

i don't know, i don't know how to use the editor well so i can only spawn in aircraft that are turn t off

From the Type dropmenu (marked with the black box) chose either Start from runaway or Start from the ramp hot.

 

[zcrazyx]

From the Type dropmenu (marked with the black box) chose either Start from runaway or Start from the ramp hot.

 

 

The hot start works, the only weird thing is that the ATC does not recognise the plane is started so hot starts work on the ground from the ramp. I used channel 16 to contact Senaki-Kolkhi

[grunf]

Ok, so the only time the radio doesn't work (from mission editor, not instant action) is when you start cold. Are you using 1.5 beta? There's a bug in 1.2, the radio doesn't work if the engine isn't running.

[Elwood]

It literally does not seem to work in the instant action cold start in Nalchik, when it does work it is only with placed units with their aircraft fully powered and flying. Could you post how you go about starting your MIG and how you configure the radio etc and i will try it that way, i tried the same starting procedure as shown on the Leatherneck Mig-21 youtube video.

I wonder if it could even be something in the controls.

 

Dear zcrazyx you are right.

I found impossible from the instant action.

Same condition with mission editor and you just need to switch on battery, first inverter, radio switch, select 14 and you request to startup to Nalchik ATC.

 

There is only one differents, small but important.

Usually the ATC are sorted by distance in the radio ATC menu, but this is not true in that cold instant action, Nalchik is second while you are parket there!

 

Feel free to post a new little bug, but importat because people get confused on the first task first mission... :thumbup:

[grunf]

 

There is only one differents, small but important.

Usually the ATC are sorted by distance in the radio ATC menu, but this is not true in that cold instant action, Nalchik is second while you are parket there!

That's because there's a FARP placed near the runaway. :)

[zcrazyx]

Ok, so the only time the radio doesn't work (from mission editor, not instant action) is when you start cold. Are you using 1.5 beta? There's a bug in 1.2, the radio doesn't work if the engine isn't running.

 

I'm using 1.2, and in both the cold start and multiplayer the radio will not work regardless of the engine, however that being said i have just went into the mission spawned in a hot mig 21 then shut it down completely and re-started the electrical systems and engine systems and the radio works,

 

Tried doing a cold start with exactly the same settings and got nothing in terms of the radio working other the it auto detecting a start up in the instant action however in the Editor i started it up from cold running the same setting and actually got a response from the ATC once the engine was started and all electrical systems were on.

 

Edit:

 

I do believe that the issue is a complete failure of the missions as in the mission editor you can get the plane started and have the radio working when the engine is on and you have electrical power.

When going into the instant action cold start the radio did not work at all however during testing in multiplayer servers on some occasions the radio worked, i would expect this to be on a newer built from the ground up server file.

 

If need be i recommend starting the MIG-21 with ground power to be safe and for Multiplayer missions/servers to have ramp starts for MIG-21 until the radio issues are fixed. The radios should not be messed with in the editor either with regards to their preset frequencies.

Edited November 16, 2015 by zcrazyx
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[zcrazyx]

Dear zcrazyx you are right.

I found impossible from the instant action.

Same condition with mission editor and you just need to switch on battery, first inverter, radio switch, select 14 and you request to startup to Nalchik ATC.

 

There is only one differents, small but important.

Usually the ATC are sorted by distance in the radio ATC menu, but this is not true in that cold instant action, Nalchik is second while you are parket there!

 

Feel free to post a new little bug, but importat because people get confused on the first task first mission... :thumbup:

 

where would i go about posting bugs?

 

EDIT: Never mind, found it

Edited November 16, 2015 by zcrazyx

[Elwood]

where would i go about posting bugs?

 

EDIT: Never mind, found it

 

cool.

enjoy the bird.

[gospadin]

FYI, I added a quick diff of the mission content to the other bug thread here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=152685

 

Internally, the old MiG-21 and the new MiG-21 are being setup differently, which would appear to either by related or be the actual cause.

[gospadin]

And I confirmed that when you swap out the lua radio setup code (copy the 1.5 radio setup and delete the 1.2.16 radio setup) the cold start missions work just fine.