Hummingbird Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Its under M1.6 on the charts - I thought the FA-18EF had a clean top end of M1.6 so that could be dead on. (Boeing now think M1.8 okay that might have changed!!) You do realise the CF-18 is a legacy Hornet? Saying that the chart for the same loadout on the legacy (with GE-400) shows M1.65 for 2 x AIM-9 + 2 x AIM-7. The AIM-7 has the same DI as the AIM-120 on the fuselage (2 x 4) - the wingtip AIM-9 are DI=0. The Super Hornet is listed has having a top speed of Mach 1.8, where'as the Legacy Hornet is listed as having a top speed of Mach 1.7+. These top speeds shouldn't change much if at all with 2x AIM-9 + 2x AIM-120's. Thus the figures in the EF manual must be with wing pylons. Btw, where did you get the 1.65 figure for the F-18C from? Is it listed in the A1-F18AC-NFM-200/210 manual? PS: Yes I know that the CF-18 is a legacy hornet, why? Canada is considering getting the Super Bug.
Basher54321 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) These top speeds shouldn't change much if at all with 2x AIM-9 + 2x AIM-120's. Thus the figures in the EF manual must be with wing pylons. Btw, where did you get the 1.65 figure for the F-18C from? Is it listed in the A1-F18AC-NFM-200/210 manual? . Don't assume anything until you get some better charts - that could seriously be just the drag from the fuselage mounted missiles - neither are stellar performers especially looking at acceleration. The higher thrust C (GE-402) should be a bit better. A1-F18AC-NFM-200 Edited December 18, 2015 by Basher54321
dartuil Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Its the rafale. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
Hummingbird Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Don't assume anything until you get some better charts - that could seriously be just the drag from the fuselage mounted missiles - neither are stellar performers especially looking at acceleration. The higher thrust C (GE-402) should be a bit better. A1-F18AC-NFM-200 I doubt it considering the amount of drag such similar mounted fuselage missiles constitute on other aircraft, incl. for example the F-15.
Basher54321 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I doubt it considering the amount of drag such similar mounted fuselage missiles constitute on other aircraft, incl. for example the F-15. Nether the less it might still be correct.
Exorcet Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I doubt it considering the amount of drag such similar mounted fuselage missiles constitute on other aircraft, incl. for example the F-15. The missiles would be on the size order of something like shock bodies, a little smaller perhaps. I'd expect something like the F-15 to possibly be shaped for minimum CD with the missiles on. The F-18 might not be that way, but I don't know. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
NORTHMAN Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Its the rafale. I would love to! But SuperHornet seems to me the less expensive one! Same weapons (Less ground crew training) as the Hornet, same engines too! Every thing else is different from the Hornet! So we can argue about the Hornet and SuperHornet as two different aircraft with some esthetic likeness! Canadians pilot will have to learn about new aircraft features by the way. So, it's all about cost I think. Prend ton temps mais fait ca vite :cold:... LG34''21:9 Asus 23''monitors Intel i7-4590 EVGA 1070 Superclocked Gskills 4x4G RAM Fatal1ty AsRock Z97 killer motherboard in a HAF black box with 4 CH products plug in and logitech G510, F310, M510 and M570 plus trackIR 5!
vladd148 Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 We have no idea currently in our Air Force what it will be. Lots of speculation all around, but until we hear from our government, we're flying blind.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted January 4, 2016 Author Posted January 4, 2016 My only question for the government is when....... Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted January 4, 2016 Author Posted January 4, 2016 I hope cbc covers that shit. Twould be awesome. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Gladman Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 With our current government, I'm sure we will defend the country with rainbows and kittens. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord
Goldsmack Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 With our current government, I'm sure we will defend the country with rainbows and kittens. LMAO sooo true Windows 10 Pro 64, I5 4690k @4.6GHz with CAPTIAN 240EX AOI, Samsung 850 EVO ,G Skill Ripjaws 16G RAM, Nvidia GTX 970 STRIX, MSI Z97 GAMING 5, WD Blue 1TB HDD, Seasonic M12 II EVO psu, Track IR 5, Pro Flight X-55 Rhino H.O.T.A.S
Sweep Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Why not do that with stealthy unicorns instead? Lord of Salt
Vampyre Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Why not do that with stealthy unicorns instead? Seems like a legitimate air defense asset... Of course they could follow the trend setters in New Zealand as well... Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
QuiGon Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 With our current government, I'm sure we will defend the country with rainbows and kittens. I'm not too deep in canadian politics, so I'm curious what makes you think that? Your defence minister seems pretty competent or is it because of Trudeau and the rest of his government? The decision to withdraw the Hornets from Syria isn't really promising though. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Kuky Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 erm... well if you don't have any enemies and no one to attack you, you don't need to defend :) PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
NeilWillis Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Try telling that to the Belgians - they were neutral in both WW1 and WW2. Also, Finland, and Norway in WW2. Given our current world, do you imagine for a second terrorists would bother to even consider international law? Sitting between Russia and the USA, good luck Canada with that neutrality stance if ever the superpowers decide to fall out!
Kuky Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Lets not go with the terrorists now. I have plenty of ammo for that but can't talk about it here. PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
NeilWillis Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Yes, we ought to leave that whole area well alone - far too political. The point was that neutrality has proved to be irrelevant in the past, so we should never try to hide behind such pointless fig leaves in the future.
Kuky Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) I disagree, Switzerland or Iceland are good examples. Now I'll leave it at that. Edited January 5, 2016 by Kuky PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
RoflSeal Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I disagree, Switzerland or Island are good examples. Now I'll leave it at that. Switzerland's Citizenry is armed to the teeth and since it's so mountainous, it's a very difficult country to invade and there is no incentive to invade it.
Kuky Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 We were talking neutrality? PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
CHSubZero Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Famous quote about Swiss Military: Switzerland has no army... Switzerland IS an army! :smartass: But we are armed for self-defense and air police service. Aviation Livery - Explore Military Aircraft Liveries My Mods: DCS User Files
RoflSeal Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 You brought Switzerland as why neutrality is a safe option, someone else brought Belgium as why declaring yourself neutral doesn't always work. Switzerland a special country in that regard as its position offers very few rewards for an invader whilst with Belgium, it offers a flanking position on France.
NeilWillis Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Switzerland is mountainous terrain, not good for ground warfare, so strategically it was irrelevant in modern times, and The Republic of Ireland isn't technically neutral. During WW1 it was British territory and therefore far from neutral, and WW2 it was able to remain neutral only due to Allied Naval superiority. Therefore, it had very little strategic value despite being slap bang in the middle of the war in the Atlantic. No way can they expect the same protection in the future. They have also participated in modern conflicts, so by that definition, they are definitely not neutral. It is something you have to either be or not be, you cannot change your mind about what war you will be neutral in, and what one you wont.
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