DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

[PiedDroit]

I still don't get how that thing is supposed to look. I mena, Saab has this to say about it:

 

 

And I'm like, where on earth does it project the image?

Is it projected inside the tube, so you're looking into the aperture there? If so, you're still seeing it as if it's just a tiny screen but with the added benefit mentioned my Saab, that it's more comfortable to look at?

 

It's just kind of underwhelming if it's just an image in a tube when it has "virtual" in the name...

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I think I get it.

To imagine what it would look like, just sit at a confortable distance from your screen, with a nice AGM-65H wallpaper for better effect (use this video for example, pause it anywhere with a TGP view:

).

Let's say 1.5 metre (5 feet) from the screen.

Then, form a circle with your hands and hold it in front of you (or cut a 10cm diameter circle into a sheet of paper for better effect).

Now, look at your computer screen through this circle (the screen should fill the circle).

This is how you would see a collimated screen.

Move your head left and right while the circle is fixed in space and see how the image behaves, it's much more confortable than a a tiny image that would have the size of the circle (even if your eyes need to be aligned correctly to see the full image).

Edited February 15, 2016 by PiedDroit

[gospadin]

:megalol::megalol: :megalol:

Anyway... do we have a feeling for what the community wants? Does everything have to be as detailed as Las Vegas or are people fine with low-detail towns/cities and geographical features in exchange for larger maps? I don't think I've seen a poll about that.

 

IMO, surface textures aren't very important. I'm okay with most of the surfaces being procedurally generated. If the altitudes are correct and the coastlines are done properly, and the populated areas are approximated, I'd be fine with it.

 

If this enabled larger maps (1000nm x 1000nm or more) I would be very happy.

 

I'd also be okay with maps that had a large water component too. You don't need to spend any resources on detail once it's over water.

[Jerkzilla]

To imagine what it would look like, just sit at a confortable distance from your screen, with a nice AGM-65H wallpaper for better effect (use this video for example, pause it anywhere with a TGP view:

).

Let's say 1.5 metre (5 feet) from the screen.

Then, form a circle with your hands and hold it in front of you (or cut a 10cm diameter circle into a sheet of paper for better effect).

Now, look at your computer screen through this circle (the screen should fill the circle).

This is how you would see a collimated screen.

Move your head left and right while the circle is fixed in space and see how the image behaves, it's much more confortable than a a tiny image that would have the size of the circle (even if your eyes need to be aligned correctly to see the full image).

 

That's literally what I did minutes later after I posted :lol:

[Oscar81]

I'm also waiting for the Viggen right now.

Here is a cockpit picture with some lights on.

[Sim Flyer]

I do really like this cockpit and really excited on trying the radar and the mavericks (anyone know which version of Mavericks we are getting?), i can also see that it was a good thing i didnt get rid of my old Saitek Fly joystick as i now have one for the A-G missile (small joystick oon the left side i presume).

[RaXha]

I do really like this cockpit and really excited on trying the radar and the mavericks (anyone know which version of Mavericks we are getting?), i can also see that it was a good thing i didnt get rid of my old Saitek Fly joystick as i now have one for the A-G missile (small joystick oon the left side i presume).

 

As far as i've been able to tell the Rb05 is controlled by a stick on the right, the stick on the left is for radar control. :-)

[Oscar81]

I do really like this cockpit and really excited on trying the radar and the mavericks (anyone know which version of Mavericks we are getting?), i can also see that it was a good thing i didnt get rid of my old Saitek Fly joystick as i now have one for the A-G missile (small joystick oon the left side i presume).

 

I think that joystick is for the radar, and there is a smaller joystick on the right side for the missile.

[mattebubben]

here is a Picture of the left side of the AJS 37 cockpit

(aswell as a gallery of very nice close up Viggen pirce)

 

http://s1184.photobucket.com/user/Rudolf_Filip/media/Viggen/110_zps71d9f5a8.jpg.html

[BravoYankee4]

I have posted this a while ago, but seems to be proper to do it again :)

http://www.museeairespace.fr/aller-plus-haut/panoramas-360/360-cabines-de-pilotage/panorama-360-saab-sk-37e-viggen/

 

Not AJS, but very similar (missing some combat equipment and some things are dummies).

[mattebubben]

I have posted this a while ago, but seems to be proper to do it again :)

http://www.museeairespace.fr/aller-plus-haut/panoramas-360/360-cabines-de-pilotage/panorama-360-saab-sk-37e-viggen/

Not AJS, but very similar (missing some combat equipment and some things are dummies).

 

Just to clarify Further its a SK 37 2 seat trainer(as noted in the Link)

 

So It has no Stick on the Right for the RB 05 (as it cant carry the 05)

 

It had no Visual Diplay next to the hud (so it cant carry the RB 75/Maverick)

 

And it had no radar so the Radar display / Radar joystick are just there to familiarise the pilot with the location of where they would be situated.

 

I just wish there was a 360° shot of the AJ 37 cockpit.

 

But it kinda makes sense to have to Familiarise urself with the Trainer variant before you get to step to the Single seat combat aircraft ^^.

 

But Just remember while cockpit layout in general is mostly similar its not identical to that of an AJ 37

(none of the Viggen variants AJ/SF/SH/SK/JA had identical cockpit layouts)

Edited February 15, 2016 by mattebubben

[Skitter]

I have posted this a while ago, but seems to be proper to do it again :)

http://www.museeairespace.fr/aller-plus-haut/panoramas-360/360-cabines-de-pilotage/panorama-360-saab-sk-37e-viggen/.

 

Did you see that...!! There is a switch forward right of the throttle saying "SPA" !! Those Sweeds are a bit crazy about the sauna and well-being thing, aren't they ?

Edited February 16, 2016 by Skitter

[mattebubben]

Did you see that...!! There is a switch forward right of the throttle saying "SPA" !! Those Sweeds are a bit crazy about the sauna and well-being thing, aren't they ?

 

My understanding is that is the selector for the different "phases" of amission.

 

And depending on the position it allows for different systems etc.

 

 

and that the SPA stands for the Recce mode (Spaning = Reconnaissance)

 

Edit: A more Proper Translation is probably Phase instead of mode.

Edited February 16, 2016 by mattebubben

[Oscar81]

Did you see that...!! There is a switch forward right of the throttle saying "SPA" !! Those Sweeds are a bit crazy about the sauna and well-being thing, aren't they ?

 

Yes, I think I will spend most time in "SPA" and "BER" mode.:music_whistling:

[mattebubben]

Yes, I think I will spend most time in "SPA" and "BER" mode.:music_whistling:

 

Well id say the ANF Phase/mode is probably more usefull =P.

 

Short for Anfall (wich translates to Attack)

 

and BER Stands for Beredskap (swedish for Readiness)

 

And is as far as i can tell a mode only used on the ground for aircraft on ground power either when starting with the checklist etc or if on

Alert Standby

(Aircraft being in the ready slot with Pilot in the aircraft and the airplane being fully loaded / fueled and plugged to ground power waiting for the go ahead / scramble order)

 

Im currently reading up on the the selector (Skedesväljare) switch.

 

But maby somone more Familiar with it could contribute.

 

But this is some of what i have gathered so far around the "Phase Selector" (Skedesväljare)

 

You would select a different mode/phase depending on the part of the mission you where on.

And not all systems are activated in all modes

 

For example before startup when on groundpower you would turn on the BER mode wich would give you Electric power (without depleding the onboard power sources) and allowed for AC and the different onboard systems etc to be started up.

 

Then after takeoff you switched to the nav mode

(Dont know exactly what the mode does but it includes changing the info displayed on the HUD to those regarding navigation)

 

Then When you got Close to the target area (and you where in the right position for it) you would Switch to either the ANF (for a Attack/strike mission) or to SPA (if preforming a Recce mission)

 

and when the recce or attack "phase" is complete you change back to NAV and then switch to the landing mode when nearing landing.

 

This is my understanding of some of what ive found in the manuals etc(of what i have been able to find so far atleast)

 

And the First Phase/mode called FK is the Test mode (FK is short for Försök)

Edited February 16, 2016 by mattebubben

[jowl]

One of our members took a cool shot of Swesims AJS37 today:

https://theta360.com/s/skO6NA948U7p57wNmwuGokDVg

 

 

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[mattebubben]

The Swesim AJS 37 sim is pretty awsome.

 

And thank him for the Photo.

 

Did he have a chance to fly the Sim aswell?

 

or did he just take a Photo?

 

And if he flew.

 

Did he get to film it? =>

Edited February 16, 2016 by mattebubben

[jowl]

He is one of us who rebuilt it so he flew it a lot. :) We are in the progress of our third major rebuild, full scale sim building has so much more to offer with these days in terms of cool hardware interfaces.

Most of the guys are pro P3D, I'm pushing for DCS :D

 

As for films we got a few on our site and facebook. Can shoot some more in the next days if it's of interest.

 

 

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[mattebubben]

He is one of us who rebuilt it so he flew it a lot. :) We are in the progress of our third major rebuild, full scale sim building has so much more to offer with these days in terms of cool hardware interfaces.

Most of the guys are pro P3D, I'm pushing for DCS :D

 

As for films we got a few on our site and facebook. Can shoot some more in the next days if it's of interest.

 

 

Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk

 

I think i can speak for many of us that it would be awsome to have some more videos / photos of the AJS-37 Sim.

 

Maby in a better light setting so we can get a good look at the cockpit etc?

 

And also.

 

You guys are cheaters >=( now you will all have a headstart when the DCS Module comes out!!! Its not Fair!!!

[SpeedStick]

Yes, indeed. Very interested.

[BravoYankee4]

I flew that sim once (when it still was available for non-members) and it is a great experience. Even though it is based on FSX :music_whistling:

 

There is a great amount of manhours behind that simulator, both software (maps, terrain objects etc.) and all interfaces between the sim and hardware. So I can understand that most members don't want to start all over again.

 

But, having a DCS module of LNS standards in this cockpit would be awesome. But there is also a great value in having all of Sweden available with a high detail in the scenery (as it is now in FSX).

 

So, a though choice for Swesim to handle.

[mattebubben]

I flew that sim once (when it still was available for non-members) and it is a great experience. Even though it is based on FSX :music_whistling:

 

There is a great amount of manhours behind that simulator, both software (maps, terrain objects etc.) and all interfaces between the sim and hardware. So I can understand that most members don't want to start all over again.

 

But, having a DCS module of LNS standards in this cockpit would be awesome. But there is also a great value in having all of Sweden available with a high detail in the scenery (as it is now in FSX).

 

So, a though choice for Swesim to handle.

 

Imagine though being able to do combat missions in the Simulator? ^^

[schroedi]

Does the AJS-37 Radar have a basic A/A mode for a computed gunsight when using the cannon in A/A?

[T0x1s]

Does the AJS-37 Radar have a basic A/A mode for a computed gunsight when using the cannon in A/A?

 

 

The AJS dont have a cannon but it can mount 2x 30mm cannons but there were only for A2G and Im pretty sure the radar do not support A2A with the gunpods

[mattebubben]

Does the AJS-37 Radar have a basic A/A mode for a computed gunsight when using the cannon in A/A?

 

The AJS dont have a cannon but it can mount 2x 30mm cannons but there were only for A2G and Im pretty sure the radar do not support A2A with the gunpods

 

 

The AJ 37 (AJS 37 aswell) was able to use its Gunpods in air-air duties and did have modes to assist in that.

 

The Air-Air targeting for the Cannons mostly relied on the Hud and it did have a dedicated Air-Air mode wich allowed for things like setting the Wingspan of a target etc.

 

The Gunpods were primarily intended to be used against Helicopters or transport aircraft in the air-air mode and missiles would be used if needed to face fast moving aircraft like Fighters or bombers. (but they could be used against any aircraft if needed ofc)

 

Since the Radar of the AJ/AJS 37 was not intended as a air-air radar but rather a Air-ground radar with some air-air modes it had more limited features when it came to Air-Air combat.

 

It would give ranging information (that would let the computer calculate optimal firing range including for the gunpods)

 

The Gunpods should be accurate enough in the air-air mode (significantly more effective then the Mig-21) but they should only really be used against helicopters or attack aircraft and only in a last ditch effort against enemy fighters.

 

If you carry gunpods and get jumped sure use them if you have the chance but you should never go looking for a gunfight =P

 

Would be better to just carry the 2 extra Aim-9s if ur looking for a fight

(even though a AJS 37 pilot should not look for enemies unless he knows there are no fighters around)

 

The only Viggen to carry internal guns was the JA-37 and its gun is most likley the most powerful cannon carried on a fighter aircraft (and it also had some unique ways to employ that cannon)

 

But for the AJS-37 the 2 gunpods with Aden 30mm guns are what we have to play with and personally i will probably use that option very rarely

(unless hunting for Helicopters)

Edited February 17, 2016 by mattebubben

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

The AJ 37 (AJS 37 aswell) was able to use its Gunpods in air-air duties and did have modes to assist in that.

 

The Air-Air targeting for the Cannons mostly relied on the Hud and it did have a dedicated Air-Air mode wich allowed for things like setting the Wingspan of a target etc.

 

The Gunpods were primarily intended to be used against Helicopters or transport aircraft in the air-air mode and missiles would be used if needed to face fast moving aircraft like Fighters or bombers. (but they could be used against any aircraft if needed ofc)

 

Since the Radar of the AJ/AJS 37 was not intended as a air-air radar but rather a Air-ground radar with some air-air modes it had more limited features when it came to Air-Air combat.

 

It would give ranging information (that would let the computer calculate optimal firing range including for the gunpods)

 

The Gunpods should be accurate enough in the air-air mode (significantly more effective then the Mig-21) but they should only really be used against helicopters or attack aircraft and only in a last ditch effort against enemy fighters.

 

If you carry gunpods and get jumped sure use them if you have the chance but you should never go looking for a gunfight =P

 

Would be better to just carry the 2 extra Aim-9s if ur looking for a fight

(even though a AJS 37 pilot should not look for enemies unless he knows there are no fighters around)

 

The only Viggen to carry internal guns was the JA-37 and its gun is most likley the most powerful cannon carried on a fighter aircraft (and it also had some unique ways to employ that cannon)

 

But for the AJS-37 the 2 gunpods with Aden 30mm guns are what we have to play with and personally i will probably use that option very rarely

(unless hunting for Helicopters)

 

When you read about the complexities of an aircraft like the Viggen and what its own onboard computing facilities could do, you really have to take a step back and just soak in the sort of technological progress that we've seen since the Viggen was brand new. Now, you're sitting at a computer that not only calculates all of the data for the Viggen's avionics, but it's also calculating the flight dynamics on top of that for both aircraft and munitions. And that's just for a single player-flown aircraft in the sim. Then you have the computations for, literally, everything else.

 

It also serves to underline how much complexity goes into these modules.