[NO BUG] Possible problems with F-15 PFM

[pepin1234]

I am freaking tired to see this. Even when we know is a new made AFM (advanced flight model) there. This situation have a heavy impact in combat...

 

[Sweep]

is that an AI F-15C?

[GGTharos]

I don't see the problem. At that airspeed it isn't going to stay up there, either.

 

... so, which part is wrong? Do you have a flight envelope to show that this is incorrect?

[pepin1234]

I don't see the problem. At that airspeed it isn't going to stay up there, either.

 

... so, which part is wrong? Do you have a flight envelope to show that this is incorrect?

 

Hoho you here.

 

The speed you see there is the IAS speed. The TAS speed was around 1100 km/h... So you keep saying everything is ok with such performance at 14300m just after take off climbing from 90km and with this payload. All right...

[TAW_Blaze]

One screenshot doesn't prove anything, I've seen people flying at 100+ kft in a steady climb at M2 or higher with full payload because of server desync or crash.

[pepin1234]

One screenshot doesn't prove anything' date=' I've seen people flying at 100+ kft in a steady climb at M2 or higher with full payload because of server desync or crash.[/quote']

 

Right now I have not a prove like a track, But I have seen some pilots of your team extrem high with full payload.

 

If you ask for prove you gone have it. Give me a time...

[sobek]

How about you do that somewhere else?

[GGTharos]

Who cares what they do? How about you show it's wrong according to real F-15 -1 manual instead?

 

Right now I have not a prove like a track, But I have seen some pilots of your team extrem high with full payload.

 

If you ask for prove you gone have it. Give me a time...

[pepin1234]

Who cares what they do? How about you show it's wrong according to real F-15 -1 manual instead?

 

And who care what is in the manual if the real pilots say this is not a real combat capability. You gone say here the real simulation should be what you read in manuals? :smilewink:

[OnlyforDCS]

Whats the problem here? Why wouldn't the aircraft be able to fly at that height even fully loaded? It's still well below the service ceiling of 65,000 feet, or am I missing something here?

[GGTharos]

Because the charts in the manual were made BY REAL PILOTS FLYING THE REAL AIRCRAFT.

 

So unless you show it's wrong by -1, YOU are wrong.

 

Are you saying the simulation should be a simulation of what YOU think it should work like, and NOT the real aircraft performance? ;)

 

And who care what is in the manual if the real pilots say this is not a real combat capability. You gone say here the real simulation should be what you read in manuals? :smilewink:

[pepin1234]

Because the charts in the manual were made BY REAL PILOTS FLYING THE REAL AIRCRAFT.

 

So unless you show it's wrong by -1, YOU are wrong.

 

Are you saying the simulation should be a simulation of what YOU think it should work like, and NOT the real aircraft performance? ;)

 

Who are your real pilots? The test factory pilots :D

[Darkwolf]

Come on.

 

You show up and says "it's wrong" and then everyone should simply rely on your words ?

 

Get something to back your word and maybe GGtharos won't be that quick to jump on you. Especially since thread name is warming the sarcasm detector.

[GGTharos]

Actually the USAF. The manuals are produced by USAF testing for USAF combat pilots.

 

Understand this: Your arguments are meaningless in this case. ED isn't going to change anything if you cannot prove it is unrealistic, and the only way to prove that it is unrealistic is to show that it is wrong according to -1. And you cannot do that, because this performance is correct by -1. The -1 shows what the real aircraft does; it is not someone's fantasy.

[Exorcet]

I've not gone into combat with 3 tanks yet, but the drop tanks certainly hurt performance. Seeing a F-15 with three tanks should be taken as a good thing, it's just an easier target.

[NineLine]

Please provide evidence and facts, as well as proper bug reports information or else I will close this thread as no bug. See my sig for the proper way to report a bug. Thanks!

[OnlyforDCS]

Again can someone please enlighten me on what this is all about? Is it somehow unrealistic that an F-15C can fly at 5 thousand meters below it's service ceiling, even with 3 drop tanks? Why is this suspect in the first place?

Edited December 14, 2015 by OnlyforDCS

[pepin1234]

Actually the USAF. The manuals are produced by USAF testing for USAF combat pilots.

 

Understand this: Your arguments are meaningless in this case. ED isn't going to change anything if you cannot prove it is unrealistic, and the only way to prove that it is unrealistic is to show that it is wrong according to -1. And you cannot do that, because this performance is correct by -1. The -1 shows what the real aircraft does; it is not someone's fantasy.

 

Well look. I have seen some testimonials from real combat pilots that say he never going to get such altitude the manual show. Not because the aircraft can't, but because is totally unsafe in real actions. I don't gone say here what aircraft I am talking about... Is not my job here make propaganda for airforce manufactures or make negative point of view of the real life machine. Like you do in this forum :smartass:

[OnlyforDCS]

Well look. I have seen some testimonials from real combat pilots that say he never going to get such altitude the manual show. Not because the aircraft can't, but because is totally unsafe in real actions. I don't gone say here what aircraft I am talking about... Is not my job here make propaganda for airforce manufactures or make negative point of view of the real life machine. Like you do in this forum :smartass:

 

Ok now you are just trolling. Im sorry to have taken this post even a little bit seriously. USAF manuals are not made by aircraft manufacturers, they are made by the USAF. They are accurate because the lives of USAF pilots depend on it.

[NineLine]

Well look. I have seen some testimonials from real combat pilots that say he never going to get such altitude the manual show. Not because the aircraft can't, but because is totally unsafe in real actions. I don't gone say here what aircraft I am talking about... Is not my job here make propaganda for airforce manufactures or make negative point of view of the real life machine. Like you do in this forum :smartass:

 

So no proof, copy.

 

ED's F-15 PFM is being tested by an actual F-15 pilot. So you need to bring more to the table if you have identified an issue with the aircrafts flight dynamics.