Does a FFB controller make a HUGE difference ?...

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Another option if you only desire the stall onset vibration...

 

1. Grab a Logitech Rumblepad 2

2. Crack it open.

3. Extend the wiring to the primary weighted motor.

4. Use a clamp to secure the motor somewhere on your stick extension.

5. Optional - Extend some of the buttons for extra input options.

 

Works great with 1.5

 

EDIT:

And if you do want other "rumbles" I can attest that the AuraSound AST-2B-4 Pro Bass Shaker Tactile Transducer works great in DCS.

 

Thx for that Merlin!!! Any shots ?

[Sporg]

I really want to try one of these seat pads, I have heard nothing but good things about them.

 

I can only recommend you to get one.

(as you can see in my reviews. :D )

 

Especially for warbirds and helos it is almost a must.

 

Will fit fine in a Stuka too. ;)

[Merlin-27]

Thx for that Merlin!!! Any shots ?

 

No problem. I'm terrible at documenting my mods but I am tying to document more & I'll take some new pics. Below is a drawing I did that basically shows how I incorporated the FFB motor.

 

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

Brilliant !

 

Thx Merlin!

[NineLine]

I can only recommend you to get one.

(as you can see in my reviews. :D )

 

Especially for warbirds and helos it is almost a must.

 

Will fit fine in a Stuka too. ;)

 

Wonder how much the shipping is from Russia :)

 

Might have to do that, more feedback the better the flying I think...

[Penshoon]

Anyone know how the Gametrix seats compares to something like the buttkicker gamer 2? Better effects? Is it controlled by sound or does it get input directly from the game? Is it only rumble/vibrate or does it give you forces by pressure as well?

[Sporg]

Anyone know how the Gametrix seats compares to something like the buttkicker gamer 2? Better effects? Is it controlled by sound or does it get input directly from the game? Is it only rumble/vibrate or does it give you forces by pressure as well?

 

The Gametrix seat is controlled via USB.

It is "only" rumble, but it has better resolution than ButtKicker because it has 6 separate vibration areas, two in the bottom and four in the back.

 

That means for instance, you get wheel vibration and ordnance drop in the bottom, afterburner in the back, and airflow and gun effects generally on all.

For instance ordnance drop, you can feel if it is from left wing, right wing or middle.

 

Buttkicker will at most be stereo input, that means two vibration areas only.

 

I have seen statements from people coming from Buttkicker devices, that the effects in the Gametrix seat are better.

[Penshoon]

The Gametrix seat is controlled via USB.

It is "only" rumble, but it has better resolution than ButtKicker because it has 6 separate vibration areas, two in the bottom and four in the back.

 

That means for instance, you get wheel vibration and ordnance drop in the bottom, afterburner in the back, and airflow and gun effects generally on all.

For instance ordnance drop, you can feel if it is from left wing, right wing or middle.

 

Buttkicker will at most be stereo input, that means two vibration areas only.

 

I have seen statements from people coming from Buttkicker devices, that the effects in the Gametrix seat are better.

Thanks for replying! Gonna see if I can get my hand on one, sounds like an improvement. I liked the buttkicker but unfortunately the neighbors on the floor below started complaining about the "bassy" noise in the evenings... so I had to shelve it. The gametrix design seems to transfer the effects to your body rather than your seat, right?

[Sporg]

Yes, that's right.

 

Andrey describes the noise as "like an electric toothbrush".

 

The seat/pad is put on top of your chair, so vibrations are absorbed by the upholstery of the chair.

 

I have my PC in my living room, and my family can sit and watch TV and movies while I sit and fly. :)

[jester_]

Yes, that's right.

 

Andrey describes the noise as "like an electric toothbrush".

 

The seat/pad is put on top of your chair, so vibrations are absorbed by the upholstery of the chair.

 

I have my PC in my living room, and my family can sit and watch TV and movies while I sit and fly. :)

 

It's a pad, not an actual chair? Where can I get my hands on one then?

[Sporg]

It's a pad, not an actual chair? Where can I get my hands on one then?

 

Yes, it's a pad you put on top of your normal chair.

 

Look in the thread I linked to.

Normally Andre has been helping people out, because it is sold from a Russian web shop, and it's a little uncertain whether they ship abroad.

[jester_]

Yes, it's a pad you put on top of your normal chair.

 

Look in the thread I linked to.

Normally Andre has been helping people out, because it is sold from a Russian web shop, and it's a little uncertain whether they ship abroad.

 

PM me with everything you know about this.

[Sporg]

PM me with everything you know about this.

PM sent, but it's actually just that you PM =Andre=, the developer, if you can't or won't order from the Russian web shop.

 

Then he helps you get one.

 

About the Jetseat, it is just a vibrating cushion you put on top of your existing chair.

 

It can be controlled via USB (done in DCS via the SimShaker software), or by using sound pass-through mode, where it vibrates according to the sound (used in games without native support).

[TWC_SLAG]

Yes, it's a pad you put on top of your normal chair.

 

Look in the thread I linked to.

Normally Andre has been helping people out, because it is sold from a Russian web shop, and it's a little uncertain whether they ship abroad.

 

Yes.

 

Andrey does ship outside Russia. I will have one on its way to me next week.

 

badfinger

[BSS_Sniper]

The only stick I used was a MS FFB 2, since 2001, in combination with a throttle. I got my Warthog in 2012 and now that's all I use. I never thought I'd be able to use any other stick, but my mind has changed since I got the Thrustmaster. I wish MS still made the FFB's but it hasn't been supported in a long time so because of that and the fact that I wanted the TM Warthog for the A10, I moved on.

 

In the end, the FFB is nice, but not the end all, be all in sticks. At best it's a mediocre stick. There just aren't enough buttons.

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

I think I will stick to my stick :-)

 

The T.16000 is the closest to a Warthog I can buy ( with the HAL sensors )... and it's not bad.

 

My "HOTAS" is a semi broken unit from a broken X52 a friend was about to throw out of the window, risking hitting some poor guy on the street... The combination, not being perfect, is still very good, and with the money I would have to spend in a Warthog, a few good glider flights IRL can be payed :-)

 

Around here it is simply impossible to find a used FFB2, and I am not going to purchase one without being able to see it first...

 

Anyway, thank you all, very much, for your posts !

[sobek]

I started out with a MSSFFB2 in the BS. For flying helos, it really is a gamechanger, because the stick always indicates where the in game stick is, so you know how you're trimmed and you can easily and quickly change from level flight to hover trim, etc. It's much more intuitive. I find it much less important for flying fixed wings.

[KLR Rico]

I can't go back to not using FFB, especially with the DCS warbirds.

 

I have a Frankenstein FFB stick. It's a MSFFB2 with the resistor mod, a ~10 cm extension, and a Saitek X52 handle. It ain't pretty, but it does the trick.

[yipster]

I had the G940 and used it for many years. Its a great stick considering you get a rudder pedal as well, which makes it the best value for money HOTAS + rudder you can get.

 

I find the FFB very useful on older generation planes, specially DCS warbirds and the Huey. Not so much on fly-by-wire ones.

 

Downside of the G940 is that it is not very precise, specially on the throttle and rudder controls.

 

 

Since I fly mostly the A10C, I made a jump to Warthog + MFG Crosswind. Never looked back since then. There are time to time I missed the FFB, but I can trade it off anytime with the precision from this setup. Maybe I can add a Buttkicker or some sort of 3rd party FFB later on.

[HornedGod]

I've just picked up a MMSFFB2 from ebay. I used to have the FFB Pro but gave it away when I got my TM Cougar in 2003.

 

The feedback is as good as I remember it but I do have a question about the smoothness of the stick itself. In flight when it's powered on, moving the stick there seem to be 'indents' when moving it along either axis. If I move it quickly left and right say, it feels like it's going over small bumps.

 

Is this just the feedback mechanism it's moving against or do I have a dodgy stick?

 

Coming from my modded Cougar which is buttery smooth it's very noticeable.

[OnlyforDCS]

Is this just the feedback mechanism it's moving against or do I have a dodgy stick?

 

Coming from my modded Cougar which is buttery smooth it's very noticeable.

 

Those are just the gear detents, this is normal, you will get used to it. It's still very precise for a FFB stick so just "stick" with it. I can't imagine going back to a non FFB stick.