ECM Usage

[CrackerJack]

So far I haven't engaged ECM in any of my flights. I've been focused on learning the radar and weapons. Any pointers on ECM employment?

[Ktulu2]

Masks your distance and to ssome extent your altitude outside of the burn through

[ShuRugal]

mostly it'll just piss off any flankers on your team, as they won't be able to use TWS mode if you are in their FoV.

 

It also advertises your position quite nicely, and a pair of coordinated human opponents can use this to triangulate you.

[Ktulu2]

Oh, it also renders the Mirage 2000's already barely functional radar 100% useless...

[MikeMikeJuliet]

Also cycling the ECM on and off periodically (say, 15 second intervals?) makes you an impossible target to shoot in BVR before radar burnthrough.

 

I'd like to see a little more subtle ECM modes. The standard noise is just way too simple for a simulation of this caliber (especially when considering the more fully modeled aircraft).

[Beagle One]

This combined with a programmable keyboard and the quirks of EDs missile logic have made player to exploit the weaknesses of DCS rather than employing so called real world tactics.

 

Air combat is broken for quite a while and I still stick to the su-25a meanwhile doing the dirty basics basically WW2 style because that's at least currently what works somehow (except cluster bombs, still)

 

until the shortcomings in BVR,ECM and missile behaviour are fixed I see no need for new airplanes in my hangar.

 

For just admiring scenery I already have a plethora of addons for FSX.

[winchesterdelta1]

Air combat will always be broken. First of all we will never get a 100% simulator. And second you fly with people online that are not fighter pilots. We just have to fight with the things we do have. So if you stick with the SU-25 for that reason you will probably stay there forever. Even if the game was 100% simulation players will find a way to go around it cause they can not die in real life playing this game.

 

You will never get real life tactics. But you can get close to it when flying in a squadron/clan. But you can improve and force a bit of real life tactics by making objective kind of PvP missions or with a PvP (inlcuding AI) dynamic campaign. And better missiles will help as well.

Edited January 24, 2016 by winchesterdelta1

[*Rage*]

Air combat will not always be broken. There are many things that could be done that would improve the situation.

 

With regards to the OP. ECM can help mask your position till burn through. Beyond that I find it pretty much useless. Im not a big fan of ECM in game and ussually fly without it in the standard MP server brawl.

Edited January 24, 2016 by ///Rage

[winchesterdelta1]

If i do use ECM i mostly use ECM to mask my buddy's position. To make it harder for them to lock them. So they will be occupied trying to lock that guy in the ECM strobe. For the rest i barely use it.

[WildBillKelsoe]

how did you come up with this number?

 

Also cycling the ECM on and off periodically (say, 15 second intervals?) makes you an impossible target to shoot in BVR before radar burnthrough.

 

I'd like to see a little more subtle ECM modes. The standard noise is just way too simple for a simulation of this caliber (especially when considering the more fully modeled aircraft).

[Frostie]

how did you come up with this number?

 

It takes 15 seconds for the F-15 jammer to turn on.

[Svend_Dellepude]

I could be nice if ED made those 15 seconds a cool down time instead.

[Sweep]

It'd be nice if there was no warm up time. So we could actually use Defensive ECM for Defensive purposes. Instead of "Look at me! I'm the Growler now!"

 

Edit: Made a meme for that...

 

Edited April 10, 2017 by Sweep

[SinusoidDelta]

I could be nice if ED made those 15 seconds a cool down time instead.

 

It'd be nice if they added a thermal limit to how long you can have ECM engaged and a longer cool period before using again.

[Svend_Dellepude]

Even better. :thumbup:

[=Pedro=]

Also cycling the ECM on and off periodically (say, 15 second intervals?) makes you an impossible target to shoot in BVR before radar burnthrough.

 

I'd like to see a little more subtle ECM modes. The standard noise is just way too simple for a simulation of this caliber (especially when considering the more fully modeled aircraft).

 

There were times when one could blink ECM on and off without 15 s delay :D

[=Pedro=]

Oh, it also renders the Mirage 2000's already barely functional radar 100% useless...

 

Maybe you should learn how to use it properly :music_whistling:

[=Pedro=]

Air combat will always be broken. First of all we will never get a 100% simulator. And second you fly with people online that are not fighter pilots. We just have to fight with the things we do have. So if you stick with the SU-25 for that reason you will probably stay there forever. Even if the game was 100% simulation players will find a way to go around it cause they can not die in real life playing this game.

 

You will never get real life tactics. But you can get close to it when flying in a squadron/clan. But you can improve and force a bit of real life tactics by making objective kind of PvP missions or with a PvP (inlcuding AI) dynamic campaign. And better missiles will help as well.

 

It could be changed by reducing life counts to 1 per day on "official" servers tho. There are always buts, nopes, and yeses ;)

[Sweep]

There were times when one could blink ECM on and off without 15 s delay :D

 

As some kind of track breaking jammer? That'd be realistic...:(

 

Maybe you should learn how to use it properly :music_whistling:

 

He does.

[Frostie]

As some kind of track breaking jammer? That'd be realistic...:(

 

The naysayers said no we don't like that exploit so ED put in the warm up dance. But now the AI do it all the time and you can't report them. :D

[WildBillKelsoe]

It takes 15 seconds for the F-15 jammer to turn on.

 

Ah I thought it went on on press.. thanks.

[Sweep]

But now the AI do it all the time and you can't report them.

 

Ban 'em, ban 'em all!

 

:megalol: