Any ladies pilots out here

[cichlidfan]

Great pic Sith. She's getting big!!

[Jateu]

Thank you Pied. Sith it's amazing to see your daughter enjoying flying. I have two daughters of.my own and would love for them to try out my hobbies. Whithorn having to worry about individuals taking the P!@#. As calling a female woman or girls a lady is just respect as all the other versions to me seem to have negative meanings unless said individual corrects me. I think the ladies out there could teach us a few things about flying gents. And even some of you who arn't gents. Again this is a curious thought because at some point I would like my daughterz to feel they can freely and respectfully come on to dcs and enjoy all that we enjoy. I feel alot of us need to be a little more respectful. Any ladies out there wish to step up and prove me right please by all means.

[NineLine]

Thank you Pied. Sith it's amazing to see your daughter enjoying flying. I have two daughters of.my own and would love for them to try out my hobbies. Whithorn having to worry about individuals taking the P!@#. As calling a female woman or girls a lady is just respect as all the other versions to me seem to have negative meanings unless said individual corrects me. I think the ladies out there could teach us a few things about flying gents. And even some of you who arn't gents. Again this is a curious thought because at some point I would like my daughterz to feel they can freely and respectfully come on to dcs and enjoy all that we enjoy. I feel alot of us need to be a little more respectful. Any ladies out there wish to step up and prove me right please by all means.

 

Well with a couple daughters you should be worried about threads like this, they should be able to come here and play without having to ID themselves, simmers are simmers, who cares about gender or anything else. There is at least one active female on these forums that I know of, but they dont need to be flagged, they should just be one of the community.

[Jateu]

Sith good point my friend. But also why should we be bothered about them popping their heads up anyway. If by your views gender should not matter. It was in my case a matter of curiosity to see if females are better than males. I am still curious to see what can happen.

[NineLine]

Sith good point my friend. But also why should we be bothered about them popping their heads up anyway. If by your views gender should not matter. It was in my case a matter of curiosity to see if females are better than males. I am still curious to see what can happen.

 

but you are hung up on female vs male, it doesnt matter if they are female or male... lets look at this, there are female combat pilots right now... proof positive there are women better than most of us ;) Any comparison should be pilot vs pilot.

 

 

Case closed :P

Edited February 2, 2016 by NineLine

[Jateu]

Fair point

[msalama]

Fair point

 

Way, waaaay back in the day, in another sim, on another planet, there was a Russian (I think) girl who was one HELL of a Focke pilot. We never stood a chance in our puny Yaks and Peshkas...

 

So it ain't the gender, it's the talent and time put in. Endy thread ;)

[Pikey]

It's actually really nice to see things like racing driving, fighter pilots and previously male dominated areas now more equal, I found the bwrdc.co.uk just now after a quick search and I very much enjoyed the womens world cup last year.

 

Yet politics they have mastered for many years now... Maybe there are skills more attributed to our gender? :)

[Jateu]

Maybe if she was in a stig outfit that may be more representative of our forum! Also does anyone out there compete in any of the dcs combat competitions etc.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Jateu

[BlackLion213]

This is a rather surprising conversation for 2016...

 

I can tell you that from a medical/physiological standpoint, there is nothing preventing women from matching or exceeding the performance of men in the aviation world. In fact, there smaller stature (on average) gives them an advantage in G-tolerance (smaller water column to support with regards to their arteries, less mass, etc), which has been supported by testing.

 

Furthermore, from a proceduralist/operations standpoint, the differences between men and women is quite a bit smaller (or frankly absent) than the differences between individuals in general.

 

My career supports this as well. I'm a Spine Surgeon (Orthopaedic) and the field of Medicine in general has substantially changed over the past few decades. Now, 50% (or slightly more) of all medical school grads are women and a large number of them choose surgical specialties. They have no perceptible disadvantages in the operating room compared to male counterparts.

 

My specialty and subspecialty is still majority men (like 90%) and we're not sure why. It might be more the "boys will be boys" stuff that NeilWillis mentioned (the same way that I REALLY did not enjoy my OB/GYN rotation in which I was the only man - all residents, med students, and nearly all attendings were women - I can only talk about shoes for 30-60 seconds... ;). I was definitely an outsider for that rotation).

 

It just seems that Flight sims are not a classic interest for women (my wife has no intrinsic interest, same thing with cars, etc). That may change with time as well, but it certainly has nothing to do with capability or teachability.

 

-Nick

[Jateu]

Thank you Nick

[sobek]

It just seems that Flight sims are not a classic interest for women (my wife has no intrinsic interest, same thing with cars, etc). That may change with time as well, but it certainly has nothing to do with capability or teachability.

 

The very existence of this thread is proof the problem. I'm sure the OP meant no harm, however the fact that women are singled out in gaming communities acts as a deterrent.

 

If everytime i joined a TS and the timbre of my voice alone would suffice to make some of the people act completely different, that would certainly put me off. If you're not aware of the problem, you should browse some women gamer youtube channels (those who are active in MP games). It will make you lose faith in humanity.

[FlightControl]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31491754

[StandingCow]

Human nature. We have had female pilots join our Virtual Squadron, but boys will be boys, and they never hang around. There is nothing overt, nothing that could be called offensive, but they are treated very differently, and it shows.

 

So don't be at all surprised if you don't get a single reply.

 

Reminds me of this:

[TomOnSteam]

Encouraging classic gender roles plays a part here too. On both sides parents subtly make children of each gender behave a certain way, and over several years to a decade it certainly makes a difference.

 

It starts by painting your kids room pink or blue (classically female and male colours), the toys you buy and the subjects you talk about.

 

Gender neutrality will almost always make a better person as they will have a more rounded view of the world.

[NeilWillis]

Ironically, pink was considered the colour for boys until fairly recently. There is no doubt at all that the sexes are pigeon-holed early in life, and a lot of things we take for granted that distinguish the sexes are in fact just conditioning or worse still - just plain prejudice.

 

Really though, the simple fact that you are looking for differences in abilities proves this is rampant gender discrimination in action. Someone will be suggesting we have an arm wrestling competition with women to see whether men or women are superior next! Anyone wish to widen the debate, and ask whether gays make better pilots?

 

Historically speaking, the reason men made better pilots was because women weren't allowed to try. Given time, I am sure you'll see just as many female aces as male. Right now, I suspect a woman has to be much better than her male peers to get recognition and respect. Hardly something to be tolerated.

[RoflSeal]

Ironically, pink was considered the colour for boys until fairly recently. There is no doubt at all that the sexes are pigeon-holed early in life, and a lot of things we take for granted that distinguish the sexes are in fact just conditioning or worse still - just plain prejudice.

 

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Even more ironically, second wave feminists pigeon-holed pink as a feminine colour in the 70s-80s and nowadays third wave complain pink enforces gender stereotypes.

 

Anyway, this is the internet, where all women are men, and 12 year olds are FBI agents.

Edited February 3, 2016 by RoflSeal

[hansangb]

But some of this explainable. Aviation really took off due to the military. And women were only recently allowed to fly. So over time, more of them will transition to being airline pilots. Also, I imagine in the beginning, a lot of brute force (lack of hydraulics/fly by wire) was required so men had an obvious advantage over women. Now, it's a moot point with rare exceptions.

[BlackLion213]

But some of this explainable. Aviation really took off due to the military. And women were only recently allowed to fly. So over time, more of them will transition to being airline pilots. Also, I imagine in the beginning, a lot of brute force (lack of hydraulics/fly by wire) was required so men had an obvious advantage over women. Now, it's a moot point with rare exceptions.

 

Sort of true, though I also think that is a classic misconception. That was a classic belief in Orthopaedic surgery, there is still brute force involved in many surgeries/procedures (I can be quite tired at the end of a day:)). And yet, I can't remember a single instance where a lack of power/strength prevented a female Orthopaedic surgeon from completing something.

 

I think the brute force issue is really over-rated.

 

-Nick

[Jateu]

That being said. Women were the only people in ww1 ww2 in the uk that could fly aircraft from the factory's to the airfields. Some of the oldest test pilots in the uk are women.

[cichlidfan]

There were plenty of female ferry pilots in the US during WWII.

[sobek]

I think the brute force issue is really over-rated.

 

Yup, think of that female A-10 pilot that performed a landing in manual reversion.

[NineLine]

That being said. Women were the only people in ww1 ww2 in the uk that could fly aircraft from the factory's to the airfields. Some of the oldest test pilots in the uk are women.

 

There were plenty of female ferry pilots in the US during WWII.

 

I think he (hansangb) meant combat roles, but even then, its been open since the mid to early 70's for women I think.

[Jateu]

Granted but still all spitfires and the like had to be tested and not just landed. The testing was litterally shake down. High G's and so on. As for brute force many a lady had been building 40 tonne tanks. Hmmm brute force or better pain threshold! I still wonder how we would have won any of the wars if it wasn't for the great women of our lands. This all being said. I still want to go toe to toe and see how well I do.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Jateu

[hansangb]

@SiThSpAwN in the US it wasn't until 1990's that woman became fighter pilots. And not until 2016 until woman could potentially join Infantry and Armor (still be worked on).

 

@Jateu, the situation I'm talking about is dire distress - again, not too often. For example, even today, *most* men fail the simulation for what the pilots in United flight 232 had to do during the crash in Iowa in late 1980's. They can't perform the same maneuver because they lack the adrenaline rush that allowed the pilots of UA232 to fly the plane with so much failure. It took brute strength *and* life and death adrenaline rush. Also, *EVERY* female cadet could not use the breaker bar to fix tanks tracks. And almost all female cadets could not pull back the charging handle of .50 caliber M2 machine gun. Are there women that can do it? Of course. But in general, they can't because of biological differences. And up until now, they were not expected to do perform these tasks so they never practiced. When woman routinely join the infantry/armor in the future, things may change.

 

I'm just stating a fact that 99% of men are stronger than 99% of women when all things are equal. And almost 100% of the women have lower center of gravity and can do sit ups better than men. Just biological fact. That's why EVERY competitive sport is separated by men's and women's event. Except figure skating! :)

Edited February 3, 2016 by hansangb