John C Flett Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Not played the A10C yet but the Mig 21 isn't a complex aircraft. It is quite a high workload aircraft though, very little assistance or automation.
Hydrox Posted March 5, 2016 Author Posted March 5, 2016 I'm just not sure, how could I handle it. Eagerly waiting F-14 and wondering how are these compared to EDs.
King_Hrothgar Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 The aircraft is much simpler in terms of systems management compared to the A-10C but the aircraft itself is far more difficult to fly and operate effectively. In terms of learning curve, the MiG-21 is a bit easier. It's more a question of can you actually fly it than can you remember how to navigate 500 MFD pages to find the option that lets you shoot unguided rockets in volleys. :P
mattebubben Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Id say the mig-21 is less complicated. Some things to get used to but in general less complicated as its a rather simple aircraft (lower tech) the F-14 will be alot more complicated though.
Hydrox Posted March 5, 2016 Author Posted March 5, 2016 Watched some videos from youtube and damn, this really looks gorgeous, the sounds, graphics - Maybe I try sometime, have to ask my wallet.
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Flying is not really what you are doing in an A10. And if you do, it is quite slow and forgiving to fly. It is more like system management, you are like an ICT guy in the cockpit. I often felt that I was lost, due to monitoring the wrong MFD pages, or trying to retrieve data that I also needed. Loosing situational awareness in a warplane is never a good idea. The MiG-21 is quite the opposite. If flown near the envelope, it is a handful. Landing in one piece is Always a relieve, you don't have a magical pointer that shows you where you touch down. And even a good touchdown will greet you with lots of whobbels and shaking. Nav/com systems are very basic and radar is very limited in range and usefullness. MiG-21 lovers say it is a real man's aircraft. A10 pilots are cissy ICT guys and MIG-21 pilots do the real flying. In a sense that is true. While it has many shortcommings, it is also a very rewarding and almost charming aircraft to fly. It has personality. MiG-21 pilots generally know what is going on around them. Not by looking on different MFD's and and checking the aforementioned 500 MFD pages, but by looking outside and the feel of their pants. This is possible because of the simplicity of the aircraft. A good quality in a fighter. Anyways, they are quite different. And definitly one of the better third-party modules. ( I own both the A-10 and the MiG-21) Happy Flying! :pilotfly:
FeistyLemur Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) The Mig 21 is ultimately a very simple plane. The cockpit looks kind of intimidating, (particularly if it's all in Russian labeling.) But there are ultimately very few systems to memorize. I think my most common mistake early on was having the switches in the wrong position for missile launching. That and flaming it out with negative G maneuvering. The A10 has a lot of things to remember. But the cockpit itself and the hotas controls are very well laid out. I've only begun to learn the a10, but it's easy to fly and easy to get overwhelmed in combat with so many capabilities. I don't think any other plane I have in DCS can compare to the way the mig21 "feels" to fly. I've tried all the FC3 planes, the, a10c, the shark of course, and the mig 15. But none of them are just as fun to fly as the 21. It's just so fast and responsive I find, and I really like the analog flight instruments. I've gotten kind of used to the russian style ones. Edited March 5, 2016 by FeistyLemur
Capt_Haddock Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Haven't tried the A-10C, so take my comments with a pinch of salt... But landing the Mig-21 with PRMG on bad weather a zero visibility is a true challenge. Massive sense of achievement once you learn! That bit alone kept me busy for days.
Elwood Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Let my try with European cars, imaging to drive a Honda Prius (A10) and a Ford Mustang (21).
streakeagle Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 The A-10C is absolutely amazing. But I am not a ground-pounder. I flew it quite a bit when the Ka-50, P-51D, and A-10C were all I had, but I almost never fly it, now. I bought into DCS World with the announcement of the MiG-21bis crowdfunding project. Until I migrated to DCS World, the Strike Fighters series was my primary sim. I am an F-4 Phanatic, and when I wasn't flying F-4s in Strike Fighters, it was often the MiG-21 that I flew. To say I am biased would be an understatement. I switched sim engines for this MiG-21bis addon. Of course I think it is one of, if not the best module in DCS World. But then again, I love the P-51D, F-15C, UH-1H, and F-86, too. Not to forget the Bf109, Fw190, MiG-15bis, Su-27, Mi-8, and Mirage 2000C. I love them all. But the MiG-21bis is pretty much tied with the F-86F as my favorite DCS ride. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Buzzles Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 The Mig21 is harder to fly and employ due to the idiosyncrasies of its limited systems. It's a much more physical aircraft to use and you spend more time practicing rather than learning. The A-10C is easier to fly and employ, but it's systems are a lot more expansive, ergo, there's a lot more learning involved. Once you've learnt them though they tend to just work so you don't need to spend much time practicing. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
Hadwell Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) the a10 requires a lot more reading and a lot more flying in slow lazy circles playing with a targeting pod and GPS than actually fighting... the MIG requires reflexes, balls, and agressive crazy high speed, often nearly subterrainian altitude manuvering, and is not really meant for killing ground stuff. You might like the a10 better if... BRRRRt...... And the mig21 if you want basically the most rewarding feeling you can get in dcs... At least in my opinion... check my YouTube to see how I fly it. The first time I'd even seen a picture of a mig21s cockpit, or had any interest in it at all, was after I tried it in dcs for the first time, except for stupid trainer planes, I buy all things dcs just as a matter of course, now the mig 21 is basically the reason I play dcs. Edited March 7, 2016 by Hadwell My youtube channel Remember: the fun is in the fight, not the kill, so say NO! to the AIM-120. System specs:ROG Maximus XI Hero, Intel I9 9900K, 32GB 3200MHz ram, EVGA 1080ti FTW3, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVME, 27" Samsung SA350 1080p, 27" BenQ GW2765HT 1440p, ASUS ROG PG278Q 1440p G-SYNC Controls: Saitekt rudder pedals,Virpil MongoosT50 throttle, warBRD base, CM2 stick, TrackIR 5+pro clip, WMR VR headset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
BlackLion213 Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 Let my try with European cars, imaging to drive a Toyota Prius (A10) and a Ford Mustang (21). Ouch! The A-10C isn't my favorite, but it certainly isn't a boring, joyless, feckless....OK, I'll stop. ;) Also, I'd characterize the MiG-21 as more of an AC 289 Cobra, not that much power, but light, very quick, engaging, but tricky to properly employ. Building on the car analogy, let me ask you this: do you prefer driving your car or using the infotainment system? Do you know the specific manufacturer (or subcontractor) for the Navigation system, but can't remember the engine's cylinder count? If you enjoy the actual process of flying (stick and rudder skills), then the MiG-21 is your bird hands down. It's also my favorite module (though the Mirage 2000C is coming along nicely) and certainly the most rewarding aircraft to fly in DCS. It also has the best sense of inertia built into the flight model (IMHO). I recently figured this out. Since the module was releases, I couldn't figure out why I preferred it's flight model, but it came to me this weekend while flying. The MiG-21 flight model really conveys a sense of mass when you throw it around. All of the PFM/EFM flight models in DCS are excellent, but I really think that the MiG-21 captures that sensation beautifully. It is, however, not the king of the skies or a true multi-role fighter. It can drop bombs and use rockets, but it absolutely pales in comparison to the A-G capability of the A-10C. It also is a total underdog in A-A against US 4th gen fighters, but that is part of the fun in my mind. In favor of the A-10C, it has excellent campaigns for both the Black Sea Map (Enemy Within) and NTTR (Red Flag 16-2). The current DCS environment is very well-suited to it and it is very well-loved on this forum. I haven't flown it much yet (need to spend a lot of time reading....then I just start flying the MiG-21 :)). In summary: want to fly? Get the MiG-21. Want to use a FLIR, smart bombs, a massive cannon, and really destroy ground targets? Get the A-10C. My vote is get the MiG-21, it still has my full attention after more than a year of near daily flying - it's really, really good! -Nick
BSS_Sniper Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 Let my try with European cars, imaging to drive a Honda Prius (A10) and a Ford Mustang (21). Wow, that's really off. lol Other than neither one of those being European cars...lol More like the A10 is a Full size truck and the Mig is a 60's model muscle car. I9 9900k @ 5ghz water cooled, 32gb ram, GTX 2080ti, 1tb M.2, 2tb hdd, 1000 watt psu TrackIR 5, TM Warthog Stick and Throttle, CH Pedals
Elwood Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 Ehehhe you were right. Rephrase with car that you can drive in European. Anyway it's nice to see that more o less anyone has the same idea and love with the flight model. Go 21 go! :D
Hydrox Posted March 7, 2016 Author Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Well, thank you for your opinions - I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be disappointed if I bought the MiG. F-14 is must buy for me when it comes, half way thru flight manual atm, eagerly waiting ^^. I've flown A-10C for some 200+ hours, I don't find it too complicated and when I hear it's kinda easy to learn Leathernecks modules, I'm more confident to buy these as well. I understand it's very difficult to compare these 2, when they are and have so different uses. Edited March 7, 2016 by Hydrox
OneBlueSky Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Not played the A10C yet but the Mig 21 isn't a complex aircraft. It is quite a high workload aircraft though, very little assistance or automation. This is basically it. The A-10C is a far more complex plane, with a much greater capability on the battlefield. The MiG-21 is not as complex, but has an extremely high pilot workload making it a very challenging plane to fly and to fly effectively. That's where the fun factor comes in for me. The A-10C is more complicated, but I find the MiG-21 to be the funner bird to fly, and much harder to learn (which is something I enjoy, a challenge/disadvantage). You'll have a lot of fun in either one though. They both give you a lot to learn and have fairly steep learning curves, but in the end the MiG is the harder one. Also, in the MiG-21 you'll almost always be at a disadvantage. The A-10C is more complicated but once you learn it, since the pilot workload is less and the systems can do much more, you'll have the advantage in it's assigned role. The MiG-21 is harder to fly, a lot more for you to do and manage because little to nothing is automated/computerized, and even once you get it down fully, you'll basically always be the lowest in the food chain until you really learn to be sneaky and learn how to bring other players into your fight. And even when you do that, you usually get one shot at winning the fight, and if you miss it... Edited March 10, 2016 by OneBlueSky [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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