A sneak peak of .. Leavu3

[Scooternutz]

Holy cow! There is a cheat to cold start aircraft. Better disable DCS.

[simo1000rr]

simo i had never installed a mod in DCS untill this came out and i only installed it to check it out with another player who told me about it and we went and played he was in a f15 high and i was in a Mig 29 low, so he is above me and painting targets for me as i am coming in to the mountains and it became clear very quick just how BS this mod was for use in a mainly non mod using MP server.

 

no problem i think with the new IC that ED willl add to the game the decision will be in the server admin hands then we will have server with mods and server without mods and all can be happy . just like now there are servers with all options available and others restricted . dont worry mate

by the way this tactics is used without leavu . good F15 pilots who knows how to operate the radars do this with out any mod . i for one can do it

Edited May 4, 2016 by simo1000rr

[uboats]

A sneak peak of .. Leavu3

 

i dont get it whats in the first pic that is cheat ??? i cant see it that well

 

 

 

distance which means exact position. There is no direct distance data export, but the the radar signal strength leaks it, since they are linear

[Nero.ger]

thats what i ment by precise. Does Lueva change Emitter data or not? sadly i cant test it, so if someone can confirm or deny?

i did a (very) quick look over L3, and it seems pretty resistant to tinkering meaning that unless you programm/compile it yourself the comunity gets what the creator allows.

As for thise people who know how to programm, i am very sure that there have been similar things in the past used by maybe a single person or unit.

 

sooooo what remains,

well you can choose to use L3 or not.....just as someone can choose TrackIR or not ;)

 

just for the record, its not about pro or Con L3, its about false information or just plain negative hype.

unless you prove your statements, it will allways become a flame fest and/or deception war :)

[Beeroshima]

distance which means exact position. There is no direct distance data export, but the the radar signal strength leaks it, since they are linear

 

Are you referring to the 92.1 km?

[uboats]

Are you referring to the 92.1 km?

 

 

 

LOL

[Beeroshima]

LOL

 

Is that a yes?

[OldE24]

by the way this tactics is used without leavu . good F15 pilots who knows how to operate the radars do this with out any mod . i for one can do it

 

how exactly does this work when you are in a F15 at 40 k and i'm on the deck 20 miles in front of you? you can give me the exact location,distance and altitude of your target? more like an idea of where the contact you see on your radar is.

[Fakum]

I second that , LEAVU is a game destroyer for everyone , it gives the players a GOD like experience , i was on the online last night and one guy with LEAVU in F15 it made him very lethal. he had only one AMRAAM left and he could bring down 12 of us with one missile , this LEAVU must gives him a laser cannon with unlimited ammo.

 

Ummm,, I really missed something here about this mod capability, or is Simo just joking?

[simo1000rr]

Ummm,, I really missed something here about this mod capability, or is Simo just joking?

 

im being sarcastic

[simo1000rr]

how exactly does this work when you are in a F15 at 40 k and i'm on the deck 20 miles in front of you? you can give me the exact location,distance and altitude of your target? more like an idea of where the contact you see on your radar is.

 

yes the radar of the F15 in TWS can tell me your distance , your speed , your ALT and where you are going exactly , i can pass that info right away to my friend on TS even more , i open the F10 map and with the ruler i can get your exact location on the map relative to bulls eye all this within the game

 

i just need to be very quick and it takes few seconds more , with LEAVU it takes less by improving SA. this is the real thing guys , this is what pilots do now in modern fighter

Edited May 4, 2016 by simo1000rr

[Haukka81]

Leavu is ok, but it gives datalink for all planes and thats not so great for PvP Mp

 

 

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[Fakum]

I think after 32 pages, we should be sticking to the facts, this thread is already too difficult to follow without throwing garbage in it. I dont mind reading any facts you post, or anyone's facts for that matter, lets keep it clean though so we can all absorb the info that is being presented, I dont think thats an unreasonable request,, thanks.

[Beeroshima]

yes the radar of the F15 in TWS can tell me your distance , your speed , your ALT and where you are going exactly , i can pass that info right away to my friend on TS even more , i open the F10 map and with the ruler i can get your exact location on the map relative to bulls eye all this within the game

 

Wait!!!! You mean to tell me those numbers on the Hud and Radar actually mean something????? ASTOUNDING!

[simo1000rr]

I will give an example, without Leavu, If my own ship radar has detected a bandit and i switch to TWS , you get info on the bandit like altitude exact distance and heading i even get the angle he needs to turn in order to run away ( aspect ) . So i pass that info to my wing and i steer him to the direction , BOOM he see the Bandit on the radar also . That took me maybe 5 seconds maybe little bit more to pass the info Vocally on TS then another 5 secs to my wing to search and acquire ( depends on the wingman skills ) . Now with Leavu , If i see that Bandit , he still doesnt see it even with LEAVU .if i lock the Bandit then he will only see the symbology of the bandit and where is he in relative to his own ship but he still cant acquire it ( Its not magic ) he still needs to search and look for the target .if he cant use his own ship radar to search and acquire the bandit then its useless, well my wing man then steers toward that direction and he acquire the bandit.

 

So now what did Leavu do . it reduced maybe the amount of time needed for me to pass the info by creating more Situation awareness . Something that is real pilot do, It saved me the time of throwing more words in the COMM like check bandit , bearing XXX for XX miles at 10000. If he lacks the skill as a pilot to Use his Radar then LEAVU cant do anything for him its really not MAGIC, It will not Lock the Bandit for him or anything. Now can i see something the server is Restricting, Like bandits that are not available on my radar screen, the answer is NO you cannot, Does it create better situation awareness? , Yes it does,

 

But again that is what we suppose to do as a pilot through communication such as TS or any other MOD, Im sure if TS was something just coming out new , i would be here trying to convince you how Radio communication are something good for a pilot while the guys who oppose will be like no this is cheat. If you want to make it hard for you and the minimum Situation awareness just to challenge yourself and prove that you are an ACE pilot , Ok i respect that you are really skilled but if i want to use what ever available to improve the communication with out adding any extra ability and underline that ( no extra ability ) so its fine. i dont tell you dont communicate with you buddies and use only chatter keyboard. if you want to fly harder to improve your self as a pilot be my guest but dont tell me i also have to fly like you. Bottom line LEAVU only improve SA and dont see what you can not see in GAME.

 

at the end i know no matter what i say no one will change his mind you guys just opposing because you are against any improving. ok what happens when the F18 gets released and we find it has Data link , what will be the whine then ??

Edited May 4, 2016 by simo1000rr

[Beeroshima]

I say this in all seriousness. The people who think this mod is revealing info you don't already have seem to not understand the data the f15 already gives them. Do yourself a favor and watch this video. While old, you'll see it explains ranges and that the aircraft already has them. It's not just stuff for the sake of stuff on the screen. The plane already tells you a range to a locked or bugged target.

 

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[doodenkoff]

In the interest of "situational awareness" I propose that all aircraft in DCS World be represented as roughly the dimensions of the Graf Zeppelin.

[OldE24]

In the interest of "situational awareness" I propose that all aircraft in DCS World be represented as roughly the dimensions of the Graf Zeppelin.

 

model enlargement allready does this.

[msalama]

Wait!!!! You mean to tell me those numbers on the Hud and Radar actually mean something????? ASTOUNDING!

 

Ummm... haven't gotten any responses to this yet, so I'll just ask again: those numbers on someone's HUD / radar on my hypothetical WW2/Korea server actually mean... what exactly?

 

And what, precisely, should be my response? Wag my finger at them, or just shut down the server until further notice? Ideas, thoughts, suggestions anyone?

 

PS. This is not directed at you personally, mind. Just asking is all.

[Beeroshima]

If youre saying that the mod gives you data you shouldnt have in ww2 planes, I honestly can't disagree there but I'm willing to bet that's easily fixed. I really can't have an opinion on those as I dont fly them.

 

I'm not really sure if that's what you're asking though.

 

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[msalama]

I'm not really sure if that's what you're asking though.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm asking. So let's indeed hope this is easily fixed, because other than Leavu used where it clearly isn't historically appropriate and/or realistic, I really don't have anything against it.

[simo1000rr]

Ummm... haven't gotten any responses to this yet, so I'll just ask again: those numbers on someone's HUD / radar on my hypothetical WW2/Korea server actually mean... what exactly?

 

And what, precisely, should be my response? Wag my finger at them, or just shut down the server until further notice? Ideas, thoughts, suggestions anyone?

 

PS. This is not directed at you personally, mind. Just asking is all.

 

the answer to your question is very simple , you as a server admin will have the ability in the next update to disable the mod just like any other server admin. we all agree with you on the WWII thing . On the other hand we are simply asking the server admins on modern aircraft to give this mod a chance to see how it does in MP .

[msalama]

Right, wait for the update then. S! all.

[Beeroshima]

Couldn't agree more that the mod shouldn't function outside of the modern aircraft that employ similar systems.

 

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[simo1000rr]

Right, wait for the update then. S! all.

 

as far as i know its around the corner ,maybe Friday or maybe not